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what are these holes for?

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Postby illusion » 30 Apr 2006 21:25

Oh... They would allow the top pins to shoot into them thus jamming the mechanism, or so it seems.

I am not sure why they are there... it'll likely be something I've ignored but I'm interested in seeing what they are for.

Thanks for sharing.

P.S: nice photo. :)
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Postby Shrub » 30 Apr 2006 21:29

Well im not sure, could be a repinning system or some way of making it so the lock can lock somthing but not unlock it but i dont know how you would get them back out again as they are blind holes.
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Postby Shrub » 30 Apr 2006 21:35

The holes are considerably smaller than the real ones so maybe it just holds the plug open for some reason.
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Postby mjsotelo91 » 30 Apr 2006 21:36

its ok i was just wondering there are prolly not impotant then
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Postby illusion » 30 Apr 2006 21:37

Does the lock work fine?

If so I wonder what stops the top pins from falling into the blind holes?
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Postby Shrub » 30 Apr 2006 21:38

The blind holes are smaller hence why i think its to keep the lock oopen perhaps simular to a hold back latch.
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Postby mjsotelo91 » 30 Apr 2006 21:40

well i havnt repinned the lock yet but i assume it will work fine the holes are too small for any of the pins to fall into but i guess it will remain a mystery as wat the holes are for
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Postby Shrub » 30 Apr 2006 21:43

Im sure you will have your answer by this tim etomorrow when the others read it :wink:
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Postby mjsotelo91 » 30 Apr 2006 21:43

i dont really understand wat u r saying shrub the lock would always be open unless the pins fall into the open holes and if u dont mind me asking wat is a hold back latch?
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Postby specialist » 30 Apr 2006 21:47

The holes are to catch the ball bearings used when masterkeying. I've heard them called "construction bearings" because they are usually used when the person is building the house. They hand the set of keys to the construction crew, and afterward use their own keys to knock the ball bearings into the holes, disabling the construction crews keys. Hope this helps.

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Postby Shrub » 30 Apr 2006 21:47

mjsotelo91 wrote:i dont really understand wat u r saying shrub the lock would always be open unless the pins fall into the open holes and if u dont mind me asking wat is a hold back latch?


Well a latch is the bit on the other side of the door that locks the door, one of the types that you slam the door and it locks, easy to do with a card.

The pins are too big for the real holes so i was guessing that they would just rest in the blind holes and hence stop the plug rotating with the spring for the latch, you would need to help it along by further turning the key.
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Postby mjsotelo91 » 30 Apr 2006 21:48

woah u are a specialist lol thanks
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Postby Shrub » 30 Apr 2006 21:49

specialist wrote:The holes are to catch the ball bearings used when masterkeying. I've heard them called "construction bearings" because they are usually used when the person is building the house. They hand the set of keys to the construction crew, and afterward use their own keys to knock the ball bearings into the holes, disabling the construction crews keys. Hope this helps.

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I knew it now you say it, i just couldnt remember it, well done, your missing your balls then.
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Postby illusion » 30 Apr 2006 21:55

I have an idea,

Presume that these locks are commonly used on contractor sites. The contractors have a set of keys that open every lock in the vecinity for ease of use, but once the building is built it would be ideal if there keys no longer worked to prevent security breaches.

Essentialy the locks are masterkeyed, and there is the contractor key, and the resident key. There are master keying spacers inside the lock are the same height as the depth of the blind holes in the plug. When the contractors use ther keys it raises the pins so that the masterkeying spacers are not lifted over the sheer line and stay within the plug. When the resident key is inserted it lifts the masterkeying spacers above the sheerline, and allows it to turn untill the spacers meet the blind holes, at which point the spacers fire into the holes since they are thinner than the top pins. This means that the masterkeying spacers are now stuck in the blind holes and will not come out. The contractor key no-longer lifts the pins to the right height with the master spacers removed, but allows the resident a functioning key safe in the knowledge there is no master key that will open their door.

I am not suer but it's an idea that came to mind. :)
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Postby illusion » 30 Apr 2006 21:58

... it took so long to post the question was already answered. Sorry.
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