narrow and heavily warded keyways

[LockNewbie21]

Well done shub i jsut looked at that keyway and never saw anything like it.


Andy

[illusion]

You know you did well, I'll not inflate your head too much lol.

Nice work.

[Argus]

thanks for all the feedback. I am in Austria, and pretty much all of the serious locks here look like that EVVA (a lot of them ARE actually EVVA, like my own main door lock). in fact, the wards "overlap" in 95% of all locks, otherwise I wouldn't have a problem.

those pictures actually look pretty harmless in comparison to what kind of locks are in my house alone. I never understood why the locks in the US are technically so much easier, keyway-wise.

by the way, yes, the pins are drilled too on EVVA locks at least. doesn't exactly make it easier.

[Argus]

oh, and about that piano wire... would that be one of the strings? and about which thickness? please elaborate.

[bonez]

you should be able to get piano wire from your local
model shop,in various grades of thickness.

[illusion]

it's called piano wire, but it has nothing to do with pianos - I don't know why either lol.

It is spring steel, and come on thin rods. The only size I've used is 0.5mm, but it will come in different sizes.

As bonez said, visit a local model shop, and ask if they have wire... I would post a photo of what it looks like, but can't find any right now lol.

[raimundo]

go to the music store and get one of the long base strings for a piano, it will be completely wrapped in copper wire, but inside is a polished hardend steel wire, good for makeing maybe 15 or more picks. cut about 5 inches of this wire off, file and sand the ends that are cut to round them off well and make it into a 6 shape with the loop for your second finger, you grip the wire with thumb and forfinger and second finger in the loop controls the orientation of the hook tip which is about a key length from the ends of your fingers.

[greyman]

Yes - well done Shrub. I haven't been able to pick EVVA since I haven't got the right tools, but even with the right tools I would think it would be a challenge in general. The GPI profile is one of the most pick resistant I've seen even among European locks, although there are many thousands of variations (so I hear).

In the Winkhaus picture, the keyway looks a bit worn? If memory serves, one or two of the opposing wards almost join up in the middle - the key has a very thin section and I think that is why it's hard to get the tools in.

On the subject, has anyone tried Abus TS 5000? The overhang on the keyway would be pretty much impossible to pick I would think (not to mention the profile pins).

http://www.mannstaedt.com/c20.html

[Shrub]

The side cuts look menacing on that, i dont do much cylinder picking and dont have many special ones,

[Mr. Lock Pick]

use slim line picks, and they should work. You will have to do some movie arounf though..

[zeke79]

Yes - well done Shrub. I haven't been able to pick EVVA since I haven't got the right tools, but even with the right tools I would think it would be a challenge in general. The GPI profile is one of the most pick resistant I've seen even among European locks, although there are many thousands of variations (so I hear).

In the Winkhaus picture, the keyway looks a bit worn? If memory serves, one or two of the opposing wards almost join up in the middle - the key has a very thin section and I think that is why it's hard to get the tools in.

On the subject, has anyone tried Abus TS 5000? The overhang on the keyway would be pretty much impossible to pick I would think (not to mention the profile pins).

http://www.mannstaedt.com/c20.html

Greyman,

The GPI's I have are a bit tight but still pickable by any means as there are no real anti pick features other than the keyway and spool pins. Do you possibly mean another *PI evva lock? As far as I know, the GPI is just a protected keyway version of their standard pin tumbler cylinders.

I have the abus TS 5000 lock and have had no success picking it. The particular lock I have has a #9 cut in the first chamber and it sets first so without making a set of picks that will lever off of the undercut I am out of luck though I think it could be picked if one were to make a proper set of tools.

[toomush2drink]

I love the evva stuff and do fit a fair bit of it when the customer wants a restricted keyway. Its not fully restricted but with 32000 profile sections available it does the job.According to the sales blurb each profile rib overlaps the centre line and its cen 3 rated.. The sheer quantity of different profiles is crazy so you could never stock the entire range. You can get them open with a thinned down pickgun needle and some patience, but not easy.

[zeke79]

Toomush,

On the gpi models I have a favorite pick with is a thinned down peterson gem. The extra reach is gives is just what I need to get around high low configurations that these locks always seem to have.

[dazza]

it's called piano wire, but it has nothing to do with pianos - I don't know why either lol.

It is spring steel, and come on thin rods. The only size I've used is 0.5mm, but it will come in different sizes.

As bonez said, visit a local model shop, and ask if they have wire... I would post a photo of what it looks like, but can't find any right now lol.

Hi illusion

I am glad you have said that i was going to go to music shop to get some everyone mentions piano wire and i thought the obvious. thanks illusion you just saved me from wasting money.

[Jason13]

I have this Euro cylinder and by the time i put the tension wrench in top or bottom theres only like


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actual space left to pick and its very very hard.