What is a Hand Punch/Key Clipper

by **Raccoon** » 8 Jul 2006 19:22

May we inquire-- what IS your parttime job?

by **LockNewbie21** » 8 Jul 2006 20:43

Well Bumpkeys, you can jsut order online, although i really like this tool for impressioning, like i said if i have many calls for this skill i will use it, seems like a good and accurate way, then i would just use my folley machine to make some duplicates, depending ont he wants of the customer.

But yea for the bump keys, i am not being cocky, just trying to save you some money, if you do fill out your profile with you job it might help us as well though.

Those Pak-a-Punch look sweet as well, but the initial price plus the diffrent attchment for schalge and wieser and kwicks and such look as thought the price could eventually add up after a while.

Andy

by **Temple** » 8 Jul 2006 21:03

Sure you can ask what my part time job is... I'm an EOD Tech.

For those that don't know what EOD is, Explosive Ordnance Disposal or a simpler way of saying it is, I'm a Bomb Tech for the US Army. I got into locks because we had to get past a lock to do a search awhile back so now I am the lock picking guru for my unit, and in my opinion I have a lot to learn.

Now as far as the key clipper, I can put that in a back pack or tool bag a lot easier than a key machine.

by **bpc293** » 8 Jul 2006 21:09

i also bought the cheap snips for impressioning. its just when i pulled them out of the box a bump key is the first thing that came to mind to test them out. it cuts a v and theres a few lines not marked or any thing that are there to help you guess at the depth so its a shallow v or a deep v. and it feels heavy duty and tight. real basic thats why there so much cheaper then the pack a punch and all those other ones. i just got in from a wedding il get pics up soon.

by **bpc293** » 8 Jul 2006 21:15

after messing with bump keys doing them buy hand is easy with an old key. the metal is soft you can nock them out fast with a file

by **Raccoon** » 8 Jul 2006 21:21

Would you mind taking pictures of your snipper?

Is there enough room to place a depth/spacer key on top of the key you're cutting so you can get proper depth in your cut?

by **Shrub** » 8 Jul 2006 21:28

Raccoon, i havent used the pak a punch but on mine and i belive its the same for the pak a punch the tool is indexed depending on what set of bits you have installed for the key you are cutting,

If for example you are cutting a kwikset key,

You install a cam set that is for the depths, you then insert a bit thats indexed for the spacing,

To cut a #3 cut in cut #1 you would move the cam to a #3 cut which then stays at that setting by means of a ball bearing or spring etc either way its held at that position securely, you then need o position the cutter to the #1 spacing, this is indexed so you turn a thumb screw and it clicks and holds on each spacing,

You set your cam to the cuts you want on the key so it may be a biting of 3, 2, 3, 4, 5 for example, you set the cam and thn simply index the cutter to each spacing and squeeze the handles, there will then be a V cut in each position,

If you want to cut a weiser key you then fit the cam and spacing part for that blank, this will have differant depths and spacings than the kwikset but be the right depth and spacing for the weiser,

You dont follow lines and you dont need to measure anything,

I can cut a key to code in around 30 seconds if that including setting the cam to the cut you want,

by **Shrub** » 8 Jul 2006 21:31

The tools arent that expensive but buying all the differant cmas and spacing parts to cover all locks is, i dont know if the pak a punch comes with them all as a kit hence the price or not but my versio doesnt, you buy the basic tool and then buy the cams etc for the locks your most likely to want to cut,

You can buy them individually or as sets,

You also need to buy code books for them so you know what depth and spacing cams work for what locks,

You want to cut a weiser key, you look up weiser and the book will tell you use cam xx and spacing bit xx you then fit that and go for it,

by **Raccoon** » 9 Jul 2006 4:26

I don't want to know anything about the pak a punch.

by **bpc293** » 9 Jul 2006 13:15

http://lockpicks.com/Includes/ProductIm ... leryItem=1

this is better than a pic i could take. it needs nothing its not like the pack a punch. the top veiw of the front of it. the piece in the center raises up and you lay the key down. those lines on it are so you can guess at the depth of the cut. i realy could see geting use to it. then close the handles like visegrips. if i grabbed a key i could make five cuts real fast. there just real sharp cuts you would have to do some filing.

i have depth keys i'll try it right now.

by **bpc293** » 9 Jul 2006 13:32

yes you can put a depth key right on top of it. i have normal kw1 blanks and my depth & spacer key has a squair head. it gets tight by the shoulder
but i dont think you normaly want a deep cut there. that pic if your browser zooms in it comes up alright but the pic dont show the lines that well. the same part i was talking about before. the top of it. theres two small holes there are four lines on top of the holes and four under them thats the only thing that doesnt show up in the pic.

if you still want me to take pics i will just ask.

by **bpc293** » 9 Jul 2006 13:37

three in a row i'm sorry. i forgot to tell you i email the company first and asked what kind of keys it took and if there where parts that had to be replaced after alot of use. he said it would snip what ever you put in there and there where no parts that would break on it. he was telling the truth
you just get that real sharp cut and its a little tight by the shoulder.

by **Raccoon** » 9 Jul 2006 14:53

Was that company Brockhage (lockpicks.com)? They are very honest people, indeed. Though, I would imagine some wear is to be expected after perhaps a thousand uses. When I get one, I'm going to try using them on aluminum keys for a longer life-- though steel bumpkeys would be nice.

If you can get a closer picture of the head, and perhaps lay a depth/spacer key on top of a key being cut-- this is the prime selling point for me. Thanks!

BTW, don't forget to put tags around your sig img.

by **bpc293** » 9 Jul 2006 15:47

longer use i'v already have been cliping wiper blade insert any thing i can stick in there. i think its out of my system now. there heavy duty and yes thats the web site i got them from. if you have anymore questions at all or whant me to take a close up of a sertian part of it just pm me

i have already taken a dozen pics i just cant get it perfect. its my first camera i never had one before. i always left it up to the old lady to take the pics.

by **Raccoon** » 9 Jul 2006 17:11

If you're getting blurry shots, you may be trying to get in too close with the camera. The focal length of most cameras requires you to hold the object at least 2 feet away. Try using the zoom function to get in closer.

If they really are heavy duty, I should just go and buy one. I was kind of miffed with my last purchase so I'm trying to hold off on buying anything until I read full reviews.

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