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by **ericm115** » 10 Sep 2006 14:24

"hacking" windows generally means there's been a trojan or some sort of backdoor installed on your computer allowing remote access. These backdoors haven't been evolving much lately and a simple online virus scan (free) from Mcafee should detect and remove it.

If you run Linux... erm... you probably know more about securing your computer from the hacker than I do anyways, so good luck.

by **Krypos** » 10 Sep 2006 17:30

bpc if you are still connected somewhere and reading this:

i am getting some scattered emails from you about cocaine and some hacker hakcing your CPU (which isnt possible) and all sorts of RANDOM scattered things.

if i end up with some punk kid hacking my comuter because of your weird arse emails, i will be pissed as (censored).

but if that is you emailing me, GET ORGANIZED! I CANT EVEN UNDERSTAND WTF YOU ARE SAYING!!!!!!!

good luck. and btw- your emails sound like acid addicts' paranoia. so stop tweaking man!

by **Raccoon** » 10 Sep 2006 21:56

I love how the paranoia flies and everyone becomes an expert whenever the word "virus, worm, trojan, hacker" is used on a forum or news group.

Before anyone posts any more, I'd ask that each read up on these technologies, and understand the associated danger, fear and myth.

by **Shrub** » 10 Sep 2006 22:05

Ive got a snake in my laptop

It fell off Raccoons plane

by **What** » 10 Sep 2006 22:43

Raccoon wrote:I love how the paranoia flies and everyone becomes an expert whenever the word "virus, worm, trojan, hacker" is used on a forum or news group.

Before anyone posts any more, I'd ask that each read up on these technologies, and understand the associated danger, fear and myth.

it is quite funny isnt it...

people dont understand that ppl cant do anything unless it is on the initernet.

by **What** » 10 Sep 2006 22:48

Shrub, ill take the snake for you

by **Shrub** » 10 Sep 2006 22:56

Tease it out with a firewall :lol:

by **Bud Wiser** » 11 Sep 2006 1:12

Krypos wrote:bpc if you are still connected somewhere and reading this:

i am getting some scattered emails from you about cocaine and some hacker hakcing your CPU (which isnt possible) and all sorts of RANDOM scattered things.

if i end up with some punk kid hacking my comuter because of your weird arse emails, i will be pissed as (censored).

but if that is you emailing me, GET ORGANIZED! I CANT EVEN UNDERSTAND WTF YOU ARE SAYING!!!!!!!

good luck. and btw- your emails sound like acid addicts' paranoia. so stop tweaking man!

Perhaps some one or some thing has hacked bpc and not his computer?
I've got two PM from him that made no sense.

Either he is having a very bad time, or he is having a very good time

by **Krypos** » 11 Sep 2006 1:14

funny story:

i was in class one time, i was a junior, and i hear this softmore (dumb blonde) girl talking about how she cant print her essay..blah blah blah.

well she goes on to say that her computer wont even start now, and this punk freshman fat kid goes: "ooooooh, its your motherbase. someone messed with your motherbase and effed it up. you need to get it looked at, cuz thats wat happened to me."

i started laughing so hard i fell out of my chair in the middle of class! MOTHERBASE?! WHAT WAS THIS IDIOT THINKING?! he was implying that someone PHYSICALLY went into her house, opened her computer and unplugged something from her "motherbase."

i couldnt stop for minutes, eventually i went over to her and told her to take it to a local computer shop and have them check it out and see if they cant fix whatever it is, and said it was probably a faulty this or that, or maybe something (like power cord) wasnt plugged in all the way or something.

but raccoon, i agree man, we are all scared, but when someone else has a problem, we are all THE GENIUS that knows all.

I* on the other hand, have dsl, so i am always online. I* have a reason to be worried for computer security when i leave my computer on all work shift and with dsl pugged in. dammed technology.

by **What** » 11 Sep 2006 2:12

Krypos my computer has been running 24/7 for the past 2 weeks, on a direct connection(wired) to the router for our DSL.

oh, and my file server(home use) has been running ~a year with almost no down time(<30mins).

gotta love tweeked windows setups.

by **ericm115** » 11 Sep 2006 7:26

I don't understand the significance of being online a lot.

There just aren't ways to hack windows like that. They don't take long stretches of time. You are just as vulnerable if you are on two hours a day and unplug your computer at night as if you are on two hours a day and leave it plugged into cable or DSL all night.

With Linux or similar, you can remote login to the computer... and the computer usually runs all sorts of online services by default that can sometimes be exploited. Not so with Windows. There's no remote login (by default), and likely the only way you will get exploited is by surfing malicious websites with old browser versions or by downloading (and sometimes running) malicious software code from a website or email.

If bpc is sending emails and posts with mixed and garbled text, I think the most likely problem is a trojan. It would allow someone to remotely control the keyboard... In that case, the "hacker" could struggle with bpc to keep him from saying anything productive (he could keep deleting and retyping as bpc is typing). It's possible that a virus could mess up typing like this, but virii generally aren't around anymore really... They kinda died off after XP came out. Trojans are very basic backdoor programs and can generally be removed very easily. They are often used more as as "pranks" than for malicious reasons. They don't ever (as far as I've ever heard) "nestle down into your hard drive" the way some virii are able.

I think as long as you have all of your windows updates, browser updates, and at least some form of anti-virus, you'll be OK against the most malicious stuff... you are still open to all the spyware and adware out there, but that stuffs manageable in small quantities.

I'm definately no expert. I worked at a computer repair shop for a few years, but that was in the days of Win95. Perhaps things have changed... I dunno, but I think most people are pretty safe.

Hopefully bpc will find his way out of this.

em

by **What** » 11 Sep 2006 9:18

ericm115 wrote:I don't understand the significance of being online a lot.

There just aren't ways to hack windows like that. They don't take long stretches of time. You are just as vulnerable if you are on two hours a day and unplug your computer at night as if you are on two hours a day and leave it plugged into cable or DSL all night.

it can take lots of time to bruteforce a password.

With Linux or similar, you can remote login to the computer... and the computer usually runs all sorts of online services by default that can sometimes be exploited. Not so with Windows. There's no remote login (by default), and likely the only way you will get exploited is by surfing malicious websites with old browser versions or by downloading (and sometimes running) malicious software code from a website or email.

what about Remote Desktop for windows? yes, it came on my computer; was very nice saved me from having to dl and install it myself, so far every dell computer i have seen has had it(yes i know dell

) it is part of their remote help.

If bpc is sending emails and posts with mixed and garbled text, I think the most likely problem is a trojan. It would allow someone to remotely control the keyboard... In that case, the "hacker" could struggle with bpc to keep him from saying anything productive (he could keep deleting and retyping as bpc is typing). It's possible that a virus could mess up typing like this, but virii generally aren't around anymore really... They kinda died off after XP came out.

LIE!!! most of the old viruses(virii) are even more effective now, some firewalls dont even have definitions for the sassar worm. btw: a trojan is usually just a keylogger or a dataminer, i have never heard of one that will allow control over the keystrokes.

Trojans are very basic backdoor programs and can generally be removed very easily. They are often used more as as "pranks" than for malicious reasons. They don't ever (as far as I've ever heard) "nestle down into your hard drive" the way some virii are able.

see my btw above, most trojans are written by companies and then sold to datamining and ad companies not pranks.

just added some updates to your win95 era data.

:roll:

by **Krypos** » 11 Sep 2006 9:29

yeah, i have to agree with what there. he seems to know his stuff. and i just about died reading this:

ericm115 wrote:With Linux or similar, you can remote login to the computer... and the computer usually runs all sorts of online services by default that can sometimes be exploited. Not so with Windows. There's no remote login (by default), and likely the only way you will get exploited is by surfing malicious websites with old browser versions or by downloading (and sometimes running) malicious software code from a website or email.

that is so funny, cuz as what said, all computers i have seen thus so far, have had a thing called remote desktop. and by default, windows allows it. and it says right under the box, this allows remote users to connect to your computer and blah blah blah and a warning about security risks.

by **Bud Wiser** » 11 Sep 2006 10:29

If your online, you can be hacked. A firewall will prevent a lot of it, but like I said earlier, there are some programs that make it very easy to hack in. Most rely on your email program or ftp program. If your online you can be hacked just as easily as you get notified, "You Got Mail". Internet Explorier has been violated so may times by so many different ways. Combined by adware and spyware can lead to many marketing benefits!

I know of no system that can not be hacked! Any one who thinks they have a fool proof system post your computers IP here

:twisted:

by **salem** » 11 Sep 2006 13:47

Firefox may not be really safe. There was just a report last week to show the vulnerabilty of Firefox, though developers criticized the report is nothing new, it's still worrying.

Some "newer" solution is to install a virtual OS, powered by software like PowerShadow, ShadowUser or VE Lite. They can creative quarentined Windows environment within MS Windows. If you're going to visit any website or open a program in doubt, do it in these virtual OS. Should it be infected, just remove the whole Virtual OS. I've heard that some highly secured websites are going to employ this technology too so that people can login in the virtual environment, no matter how dirty the user's system is.

Norton Goback seems to provide similar functions. (very similar to Apple's latest release of TimeMachine). As the name suggests, it enables a system to go back to the state of a particular moment, but I've heard some data can't be restored so smoothly.

What I'm using is Norton Ghost, Firefox (with McAfee plug-in to indicate which website is potentially harmful). I've also completely abondoned email client and use Gmail. (shift my responsibilty to handle the risk of email client to google's paid developers. )

Anti-virus, and personal firewall is a must, but i don't really think they're reliable. It's only better than having nothing.

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