KWIKSET SAFEKEY

by **zeke79** » 22 Oct 2007 13:29

You have pretty much the right technique. This lock does require more force on the pick than the normal lock. I used heavier tension than I would for a normal pin tumbler cylinder not installed in a spring loaded padlock. I'd say overall, medium tension worked for me.

Best thing I can tell you is as you progress and have more pins in the picked position the tension wrench will turn further and further toward the open position. You just have to work through the lock and keep track of about where you set each pin. I always keep in mind with this lock low set mid set and high set so I can go back and repick pins that fall when setting another pin. Say you are halfway through on setting pins and you are pretty rotated toward the open position, by noting the set pin depths you can quickly reset them again if they become unset or if you pick a pin to a position that rotates your tension wrench back towards the neutral position (locked position). In my mind it is a process of elimination and noting the depths of each pin that work the tension wrench to the opening position. Kind of a mix of lock picking and direct entry combination lock manipulation as you are watching the location of the tension wrench and working it down to the unlock position only in manipulation you use a needle point and vernier scale instead of a tension wrench.

Also note that this lock has a 1/2 cut tolerance so if you think you have all of the pins in the proper position and it still does not open give it a medium force rake and it may pop open for you.

I hope that helps.

by **digital_blue** » 22 Oct 2007 18:28

Sidenote: After some discussion within the mod section, we've agreed that this lock is not really worthy of restricting discussion on it, other than our normal restrictions within the public forums (ie: destructive entry and bypass remains off limits, as it always has with residential locks).

Carry on then.

db

by **dougfarre** » 22 Oct 2007 20:14

duh. its just a kwickset

by **MacGyver101** » 23 Oct 2007 0:20

dougfarre wrote:duh. its just a kwickset

Well, it's not "just a Kwikset"... in terms of the design of the locking mechanism, the SmartKey locks are a marked improvement over most of their previous product line.

I think the concern over whether this was going to be deemed "advanced" or not had to do with picking sidebar locks (which is, traditionally, advanced material). However, the sidebar in a SmartKey lock does not play the same role as in most high-security locks (you were asking in an earlier post about rotating the pins, for example: that isn't possible with this lock).

There are a couple of very good discussion threads about this lock, with disassembly photos and a link to the patent drawings that might be of interest.

by **Jaakko** » 23 Oct 2007 3:41

I'm glad we have a decision on the matter from the staff, so hat there is no dispute over it.

I would compare this locks operation to a sidebar wafer lock, because that resembles it very much, athough the "wafers" aren't that thin.

by **dougfarre** » 23 Oct 2007 8:39

I would just assume it would be wrong for the staff to limit our discussion of something that i bought I got at home depot, next to the vast master lock selection

I actually find it kinda offensive.

by **MacGyver101** » 23 Oct 2007 9:26

Jaakko wrote:I would compare this locks operation to a sidebar wafer lock, because that resembles it very much, athough the "wafers" aren't that thin.

I hadn't thought of it in that way before... but that's an excellent analogy.

by **Eyes_Only** » 23 Oct 2007 19:43

Ok so we have an open discussion in the regular forums and a free-for-all in the advanced section. :lol:

by **digital_blue** » 23 Oct 2007 19:54

MacGyver101 wrote:
Jaakko wrote:I would compare this locks operation to a sidebar wafer lock, because that resembles it very much, athough the "wafers" aren't that thin.

I hadn't thought of it in that way before... but that's an excellent analogy.

Ohh... you're RIGHT...

Hrm.. guess it IS advanced then.

j/k

@Doug: I think it was a reasonable point to consider. Though from the start, I've agreed (as did every other mod that chimed in on the matter, for that point) that this lock is a residential lock, and therefor not subject to "advanced topic" restrictions. However, due to the mechanism, it was at least worth considering it. As mentioned, traditionally sidebar technologies have been relegated to the advanced forums simply because they are present in either a) high security locks .. or... b) automotive locks. This is neither, but shares principles with each. But at the end of the day, we don't restrict certain topics just 'cause we want to crap in anyone's Corn Flakes. It is all about managing a "responsible" attitiude toward potentially sensitive material. Sometimes it's a tough call. This time, not so much. Still needed to think about it though.

db

by **Eyes_Only** » 23 Oct 2007 22:56

We could always lay down limits and new guidelines as this project progresses so lets see how far we can go. :wink:

by **dougfarre** » 23 Oct 2007 23:43

Oh good, because I was dying to talk about this new abloy style lock i just managed pick for the first time tonight. I would love to elaborate on the methods i used. :idea:

by **Eyes_Only** » 24 Oct 2007 0:19

Please do tell. Is this about that coat hanger bypass?

by **Jaakko** » 24 Oct 2007 6:40

dougfarre wrote:I would just assume it would be wrong for the staff to limit our discussion of something that i bought I got at home depot, next to the vast master lock selection I actually find it kinda offensive.

Not to step on anyones foot here, but with this kind of thinking every lock should be free to be discussed, as I can get Abloys from the gas station or pet store or whatever that sells locks

by **Eyes_Only** » 24 Oct 2007 7:37

Dude, you really gotta start laying off the Abloy thing. :roll:

by **dougfarre** » 24 Oct 2007 7:58

Eyes_Only wrote:Dude, you really gotta start laying off the Abloy thing.

Hahaha

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