do not duplicate?

[josh0094]

so take it to a locksmith shop and not home depot?

[MacGyver101]

Home Depot won't be able to cut that for you. Even if they had the blank (which is unlikely, as it's not a standard residential blank), Best SFIC keys are not "shoulder-stopped" like most residential locks: they require a different set-up for cutting. You will almost certainly need to go to a locksmith.

Notwithstanding that, something still sounds slightly odd about your request. You'd posted a couple of weeks ago that the lock on your parent's front door was a Kwikset and you'd been picking it with a half-diamond. Now you're trying to get a key for a SFIC, and are willing to cast one with a "clam kit" if you have to.

[Minion]

Home Depot has their key cutting machines sitting unattended where I'm at... I've made multiple bumpkeys for a dollar a pop without anyone so much as batting an eye.

The machines are easy enough to work that it doesn't require any archaic knowledge or hand-eye coordination. Put your cut key in one slot, the blank in the other, put it in the machine and close the lid, then hit the big green button.

Works pretty well

[MacGyver101]

Works pretty well

On a tip-stopped key?

[josh0094]

Notwithstanding that, something still sounds slightly odd about your request. You'd posted a couple of weeks ago that the lock on your parent's front door was a Kwikset and you'd been picking it with a half-diamond. Now you're trying to get a key for a SFIC, and are willing to cast one with a "clam kit" if you have to. [/quote]

i was meaning to say above "new appartment" 2 weeks ago i lived about a mile away from were i do now. please do not ask me why we moved. we will leave it at having to do with both of my parents.

thanks for the help!

[WOT]

A local customer of mine had a problem with my dnd keys getting made at the hardware store.

Did you advise him DND is basically meaningless? ALOA, an association for locksmiths agrees. DND is about as useful as leaving $20 bill on the ground with "please do not steal, property of xxx".


From their internal policies,

"Do Not Duplicate Keys: Orders for keys stamped “Do Not Duplicate” or similar wording
will be handled in the same manner as any unrestricted key (see . ALOA members should
inform the consumer that the use of keys stamped “Do Not Duplicate”, or similar wording,
is not effective security, and further that the use of such words is deceptive because it
provides a false sense of security. Consumers who desire effective security should purchase
a patented key control system rather than rely on a “Do Not Duplicate” marking.
This does not apply to keys protected by law.
8. Assumption of Authority: For individual, personal property or unrestricted locks, keys, or
other qualifying device, the possession of a the qualifying device itself establishes the
authority to order duplicates or recombinate cylinders operated by such devices, unless the
cylinders or systems are found to be master keyed (see 10) or of a restricted type (see 12), or
unless the service technician suspects some wrongful intent. (See 9)."

Another idea might be to simply ask the landlord for another key. That happens all the time. As a locksmith, I recognize my keys that are on dnd neuter head blanks. I buy them for the dnd part, but also so I have room to stamp my key codes and sequential numbering if any.

The burden is on the landlord to protect against duplication through the use of patented key system. It's like putting the marking "US Pat ###,###, expired in 1996, but DO NOT DUPLICATE" on products. As much as they'd appreciate being able to be the sole user of the expired patents, they no longer have control over it.

The organization/institution/business' internal policy is their problem. Certain religious universities prohibits drinking regardless of age, but as a liquor store, it isn't your responsibility to respect their rule, even if the customer is their student, as long as they meet the legal requirements.

[WOT]

oh and if I were a locksmith, I wouldn't want to duplicate Best keys either.

1. Best keys are BIG PAIN in the ass to seat in the key machine.

2. They're among the closest tolerance pin & tumbler keys. (1/1000" )

3. The end result = time consuming to make & higher chance of returns for non-smooth or no work.

To say that to the customer makes you incompetent, but if you say "we need letter of authorization" it sounds better.

In my opinion they're not really meant to be duplicated, but meant to be cut on a dedicated code punch by code.

[gotta]

Did you advise him DND is basically meaningless? ALOA, an association for locksmiths agrees. DND is about as useful as leaving $20 bill on the ground with "please do not steal, property of xxx".

Of course I did. I also gave him the option and price conversion of my Primus keyway. But using a bit of business leverage worked for him and was independent of me. I always tell my customers the hardware stores will make them. Lucky for everyone I guess their machine cuts about .020 deep.

I was also an ALOA member for quite a long time until they turned into an ad agency. I stated in my post that I like the square neuter head dnd blanks for the stamping space it allows. I also stock the neuter head blanks without the dnd imprint for when I want to stamp a short story. Just for fun I'll throw in an occasional EF keyway for someone on original Schlage blanks. Gives the hardware guys fits. I do cut Best keys for a few long time customers. I have a good machine that does a nice job. Regards.

[WOT]

bro i aint even joking... its like ultra security. so u think i could get a duplicate made?

No it isn't. They're ultra-convenience for property managers. The "lock" can be changed out in seconds when someone's evicted, loses their key or tenant changes. The property manager brings in a spare lock from their stock pile, remove your old lock(core) with a special key and insert a new core.

Your old core then goes into their stock pile for some time before it's put back into use.

A common reason someone wants a spare is to have an unauthorized tenant addition (aka roommates), the exact reason landlords don't want you to have an extra...

Why do you want an extra?

[raimundo]

I like that trick with the EF blank thats a good one. the teenager at the cole national booth will never figure it out, (do they still have colenational booths in the malls?

[raimundo]

obviously the DND stamp is enough to cause a discussion here about what it really means, so the public is probably going to be convinced its not just wishful thinking.

[gotta]

:lol: I like that trick with the EF blank thats a good one. the teenager at the cole national booth will never figure it out, (do they still have colenational booths in the malls?

I haven't seen one in quite a while. That would include malls in Seattle and Spokane that I've been to recently. The other thing that cracks me up is when I get referals from them for supposed keys they don't stock. Like, Baldwin and Emtek. I've even gone out of my way to be nice and tell them they're simply SC1's. The information never seems to trickle down to the poor key cutter.

[josh0094]

k i give up lol. i want a spare key so if i lose mine i can get into my room. well thanks guys. DND useless. wow... get what ur saying about interchangeable cores tho.

[WOT]

k i give up lol. i want a spare key so if i lose mine i can get into my room. well thanks guys. DND useless. wow... get what ur saying about interchangeable cores tho.

Just call around and ask if they'll duplicate a BEST brand key. Some will insist on a letter of authorization, others will just do it. Expect to pay $7-10 per key. It's not illegal in State of OR to duplicate a DND key and all you have to lose is getting told "I need a lettar oof authirization mwah blah mwah"

[digital_blue]

Maybe this has been said already, and I just missed it.. but..

Ever think of asking the landlord or building manager for a second key? That might work.

db