Medeco

[cppdungeon]

NDE mag has an interesting article on it if you are still determined to pick the medeco. go go google!

[Satan130]

i had given up all hope at the moment for picking a medeco, but I'll still take a look at those.

thanks

[raimundo]

You can just remove two of the pin columns, spring and all so that your medeco is a three pin lock, I would take the second and fourth column out for the first tries, this means that the sidebar won't be tilted from the start.
after that gets easy, set it up without the first and fifth pins, once again keeping the sidebar balanced,

[lunchb0x]

Thats kind of how I did it, I started by removing the side bar and some of the pins to first get the feel fot the lock, then added the side bar and worked my way up to all the pins, still having a bit of trouble with it though, I wouldn't mind getting one of JK's tools for this.

[cppdungeon]

i just got some medeco cylinders, so ill have to try that. I have a question as well. whats the deal with those little medeco locks? the ones that look like switch locks, or cam locks.

[Shib]

i just got some medeco cylinders, so ill have to try that. I have a question as well. whats the deal with those little medeco locks? the ones that look like switch locks, or cam locks.

They might be payphone locks. I think they are just a Medeco Biaxial that has 4 pins and a side bar?

[jpb06080]

Why is medeco de-advanced, while any other high security picking is frowned upon? This is a double standard imho. If someone could clarify this to me i'd appreciate it.

[globallockytoo]

Why is medeco de-advanced, while any other high security picking is frowned upon? This is a double standard imho. If someone could clarify this to me i'd appreciate it.

Perhaps because so many people have picked them and are picking them repeatedly.....oh...and bumping them too + they are almost too common in the USA these days....everyone and their brother either sells or services them.

[cppdungeon]

Def. not for payphones. Ill get pics in a few days and make a real post...

--Cpp

[Mutzy]

Discussion on Medeco locks was recently 'de-advanced' by Marc Tobias and Co. Because they made this new information accessible to the security industry [/i]and the general public[/i] (all I needed was a credit card and a smile), the admins/mods decided that it should be an accessible topic for discussion on LP101.

I'm trying to find the thread announcing it, but I can't seem to find it. 0.o Halp anyone?

[jpb06080]

I think that if a similar amount of time had been spent on any other comparable high security system, the same kinds of flaws and weaknesses would be discovered. Why deadvance medeco just because Tobias and Co wrote a book (no offense to them, I find their work very impressive). If you're going to deadvance one of them, it seems to me like you pretty much have to deadvance them all.

[JK_the_CJer]

I think that if a similar amount of time had been spent on any other comparable high security system, the same kinds of flaws and weaknesses would be discovered. Why deadvance medeco just because Tobias and Co wrote a book (no offense to them, I find their work very impressive). If you're going to deadvance one of them, it seems to me like you pretty much have to deadvance them all.

Try doing some digging, I bet one of them is stickied; there was a TON of debate and whatnot about why Medeco was deadvanced (I'm somehow still on the fence but adapting). Ultimately, the decision rested with the admins (and possibly mods). Summary: The entire internet will be openly talking about Marc's stuff; LP101 shouldn't fall behind the information-curve (my interpretation of the reasoning anyway).

[jpb06080]

Try doing some digging, I bet one of them is stickied; there was a TON of debate and whatnot about why Medeco was deadvanced (I'm somehow still on the fence but adapting). Ultimately, the decision rested with the admins (and possibly mods). Summary: The entire internet will be openly talking about Marc's stuff; LP101 shouldn't fall behind the information-curve (my interpretation of the reasoning anyway).

Im totally behind lp101 not falling behind the information curve, I just feel like medeco is held to a bizzarre double standard. Yes, we all know they can be picked, bumped, etc. So can all locks! Given enough time, I feel quite confident that any system could be similarly compromised. This doesn't reflect on the quality of the lock IMHO. MTL, Assa, Dom, etc can all be bumped with no prior knowledge of the bittings. Why not deadvance them?

I'm all for the locksport community pushing manufacturers to improve their product, but acting like medeco, which is our only domestic high security company, is somehow not on the same level as other systems is unfair.

[globallockytoo]

This is the problem Medeco is perceived as a domestic high security product, when it has been found severely wanting.

It is probably the most prevalent product in the USA, but you rarely find it in the rest of the world. Unlike Assa, MTL Abloy, Bilock, Evva etc.

Why do you suppose that is?

(Greed thru cost I suspect)

[jpb06080]

Perhaps its because assa abloy owns all of those brands besides bilock. They control the distribution. No way is medeco less secure than assa or mtl. Both have been proven to be easily bumped. At least with medeco you must have prior knowledge of the angles. How many locksmiths on this site ever attempt to pick a medeco in the field? Besides, medeco is leaning more and more towards electromechanical options. I'd like to see MWT write a book about this: http://www.medeco.com/products/images/L ... LowRes.jpg