Assessing vulnerabilities of a TL-15 safe

[mcm757207]

From a practical standpoint, what does this mean?

If I have an M10 bolt securing a 2000lb safe, what are the most likely attack vectors?

Can they tear it out of the floor with a minivan? An SUV? A pickup truck? Or are they going to need more power than that?

It means you have other things to worry about. I don't think anyone is going to be dragging a 2,000lb bolted down safe out of your business. Like I said, get a good security system and CCTV and use a little common sense.

This website is mostly made up of hobbyists, and the professionals here who do know the answer to your questions aren't going to be posting answers. Nobody here knows you. Even if you really were the owner of this safe, we don't know who else will read this. If you need further advice, you need to hire a security consultant.

[unlisted]

If you cannot understand bolt grades, hire someone who can. Like a professional security consultant- who can help you with more than just bolt grades.

We are not going to assist you any further with this safe, you have had more than enough other tips and advice on this.

[internet tough guy]

It means you have other things to worry about.

Unfortunately, I have insiders to worry about. People who could potentially disable the alarm system, or trick/strongarm others into doing so. Some are from the bad parts of town, and probably have many acquaintances who have been through the criminal justice system.

The truck attack will create noise and draw a lot of attention, but the concern here is that they can pull it off before the authorities respond to the call.

More likely, somebody finds their way inside and has their way with my safe for 12 hours. Quite possibly one of your "trusted elite" members here. Then what?

[mattman]

Unfortunately, I have insiders to worry about. People who could potentially disable the alarm system, or trick/strongarm others into doing so. Some are from the bad parts of town, and probably have many acquaintances who have been through the criminal justice system.

Then maybe you need to think about changing your hiring practices. Personally, I wouldn't have anyone working for me who I couldn't trust.

-Matt

[internet tough guy]

Then maybe you need to think about changing your hiring practices.

That's called "discrimination" and it will get you sued. You can't refuse to hire somebody just because he's from the ghetto.

[mattman]

That's called "discrimination" and it will get you sued. You can't refuse to hire somebody just because he's from the ghetto.

I didn't say anything about refusing to hire somebody because of where they live. I'm talking about refusing to hire somebody because you can't trust them not to steal from you.

-Matt

[TigerDragon]

Seriously, if you can afford to put the money down for a really nice safe, you should have enough to hire people you can trust. You should also have enough to hire a consultant to discuss alarm/monitoring options and possibly hire some 24/7 security staff to walk the grounds. If you have the money to spend on that kind of safe, but can't afford to hire people you can trust or the other parts and pieces that make up the other layers of your security (security is layered or it's not worth spit) then you need to rethink your business. You are sounding more and more like someone looking for advice on how to do a number on someone than someone looking to avoid having a number done on them.

As for the "descrimination" bit... nobody can force you to hire someone "from the ghetto" if you don't trust them. If you feel you must meet some kind of quota, hire someone straight laced who meets the quota criteria, though I personally don't believe in hiring by a "quota." If someone isn't qualified to do the work, and I feel I can't trust them, I wouldn't hire them. End of story.

Some peoples' kids.

[unlisted]

Unfortunately, I have insiders to worry about. People who could potentially disable the alarm system, or trick/strongarm others into doing so. Some are from the bad parts of town, and probably have many acquaintances who have been through the criminal justice system.

Hire a security consultant. They can assist you further.

The truck attack will create noise and draw a lot of attention, but the concern here is that they can pull it off before the authorities respond to the call.

Hire a security consultant. They can assist you further.

More likely, somebody finds their way inside and has their way with my safe for 12 hours. Quite possibly one of your "trusted elite" members here. Then what?

Well, we don't have a "trusted elite" here, we just have members who meet the requirements to the advanced area. We have no clue where your place of business is, nor do we really care at this point. If your really worried, use a bank for your valuables and/or hire a armed guard/ armed courrier company to transport your items daily back and forth.

Sounds like your trying to secure the crown jewels. Maybe a trip to England is in order for you, as you can ask them how to secure items rather well over there?

Finally, and its a running theme here- Hire a security consultant. They can assist you further.

Then maybe you need to think about changing your hiring practices.

That's called "discrimination" and it will get you sued. You can't refuse to hire somebody just because he's from the ghetto.

No, its called a background check, if they do not meet the requirements, than you should not hire them. You should also check references of all employees very well.

LOCKED- and don't create another thread on this topic. We will not assist you in learning any way to crack this safe.

[Legion303]

Unfortunately, I have insiders to worry about.

You can't be too worried if you're asking about it on an internet forum instead of hiring a professional who can tailor a report specific to your site. You moron.

Yes, I know, stop feeding the trolls.

-steve