Manual Key Cutter

[Squelchtone]

But isn't there a manual cutter to make pin tumbler keys on the spot?
I really thought there was

Yes, the blue machine, but its $1000 usually and only cuts Schlage, or only cuts Kwikset, or only BEST A2

http://www.taylorsecurity.com/Pro-Lok-B ... entId=1338

or did you mean something that looks like nippers or pliers?

[fgarci03]

[quote=squelchtone"]or did you mean something that looks like nippers or pliers?[/quote]

Yes, a kind of pliers with which I cut a key. Like the Lishi Key Cutter, but apparently it doesn't cut keys, just flat steel keys that are supplied by Lish.

I'd like to know if there is one meant for actual keys...

Thank you!

[Squelchtone]

[quote=squelchtone"]or did you mean something that looks like nippers or pliers?

Yes, a kind of pliers with which I cut a key. Like the Lishi Key Cutter, but apparently it doesn't cut keys, just flat steel keys that are supplied by Lish.

I'd like to know if there is one meant for actual keys...

Thank you![/quote]


I feel like there is something like that. I once saw it when someone was impressioning a key and they used a nipper/cutter to cut depths instead of filing.

I may be thinking of a John Falle tool where the keys are flat pieces of steel already stamped with the key cut depths, and you just cut the bitting to match the key you decoded..

Squelchtone

[zeke79]

There is the A1 Pak a punch. There was also the old curtis clippers.

[Squelchtone]

There is the A1 Pak a punch. There was also the old curtis clippers.

and zeke79 wins the Internet! =)

That's exactly what I was remembering, could not figure out the name.

A1 Pak A Punch
http://americankeysupply.com/index.php? ... ts_id=1176

Curtis Clippers:
http://hawleylocksupply.com/Merchant2/m ... y_Code=C15

Sure seems these tools are meant more for auto than home.. only Schlage and Kwikset and IC are available..

Thanks!
Squelchtone

[zeke79]

At one time pak a punch had a model for IC that would cut a2, a3, and a4. An IC pak a punch would likely end up being thrown into oncomming traffic if it were mine though. Pak a punch are ok for schlage, kwikset, etc but for IC i'm thinking it would be a nightmare.

[fgarci03]

OMG!

400 bucks for a pliers?
Heck, I thought it would be a simple instrument with a "low" price. Hum, it may be a good purchase though. Need to consider this.

Maybe i'll return to filling, or get a dremel and do it.


Thank you for your help! I really appreciated it!

Be safe!

[fgarci03]

Hi again.. Accidentaly I found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=W-POcv_8Ryg

He's using the Lishi cutter I talked a while back.. He takes his time to bump the lock open though. Is it because the bump key is not very good (by being made with a cutter meant for other kind of keys) or because of his (lack of?) abbility?

Do you think the cutter will last for long, or since it's meant for cutting just plain sheets of metal it will wear down soon?

Thank you!

[zeke79]

Any punch system you buy will wear. How long the tool lasts depends on the quality of the tool itself, the metallurgy of the keys you are cutting, and how often the tool is used.

As far as why it took him a while to bump the lock, it could be many different reasons.

[ARF-GEF]

45°, 47°I think the curtises are for special keys (automotive I would guess).

I think Fgarci is looking for a cheaper, hand held tool which would satisfy the occasional need to cut a key or 2. Since he's in Europe schlage and kwiskets are not in use, but paracentric keyways all the more.

Bad new is I've been trying to find one. Primarily for "fun", but I've had no success thus far.
I think here are mobile key cutters which you can take with yourself and it works from either the car's electric grid or some sort of accumulator, but I don't know the exact type. And they are probably around 1000€.

400 bucks for a pliers?

They are expensive pliers but very cheap key cutters. As I mentioned before good key cutters cost around 1000€.

Para centric keyway is one which is more shaped like an"S" or a "{" than an "I". That means the keyway doesn't run in the centre but "next to the centre" = "para centre". It is used to restrict the keyways for example in master keyed systems or to restrict picking (harder to reach the pins).
The keyways I meet in Europe are almost all para-centric, on the other hand US keyways tend to be more straight and roomy. This is gross generalisation of course.

but for IC i'm thinking it would be a nightmare.

Why is IC different from schalge and kwickset?

[ARF-GEF]

Here is a non-para centric keyway (I'M not sure wtha is teh correct expression) to the left (a Schlage)
and a very nice, paracentric EVVA lock to the right (an EVVA FPS for the European lock aficionados) .
See how curvy the right one is? Imagine manoeuvring around in it with a pick :S
See the keyway runs off-center to the left and to the right in a zig-zaggy way.


(BTW does anyone know what kind of Schlage lock is the left one? I mean not the keyway but type (like "euro profile" "cam lock" I know it's neither ) It has a springy thing on the bottom.)

[jeffmoss26]

That's a Schlage compressible cylinder for use in their knob sets.

[cledry]

That's a Schlage compressible cylinder for use in their knob sets.

Residential locksets. F series (at least they used to be F).

[ARF-GEF]

I didn't break it apart, but now that I examined it in more detail I was abhorred by the fact that it seems to have plastic parts. Maybe even the bible (the middle turning part with the keyhole in it) is made of plastic?
Is it possible? Or am I mistaken? (I don't want to destructively investigate, since this is my only schalge lock)
I though schlage was better than kwickset...

[fgarci03]

Thank you for your help (once again )
That stuff is too expensive for the use it's going to have But great to know this for the future!

As for the EVVA keyway; here it's all something like that. Restricted warding. Sooo difficult to come around. I mean, very easy locks (I mean easier than kwiksets) are absolute nightmares to SPP. And just by having a light hi-lo combination makes it very, very difficult to rake, as the warding doesn't let the rake properly "hit" the pins. Yes, proper hi-lo's are, by definition, difficult (or even impossible maybe) to rake, but on these locks just need a very light hi-lo biting tomake it very difficult.

I picked a lock some days ago, with such a restricted warding, that didn't let me SPP, so I raked it. less than 5 secs to pop it, but the pick got stuck between the pins, just like a key is when you rotate the plug. To remove the pick, I had to rotate the plug back to it's original position