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[rayman452]

I guess it doesnt matter then, as long as they know what I mean. I hope it wont anger all you oldies when those fresh newbies come on calling that part the pinhole. And what is the shiny goldent part where the key goes into? the part that encases the plug, and the whole thing. Like the part you see on the door. The front plate?

[WhiteHat]

the keyway? and the shell? (sometimes called other things) there's a dictionary arround somewhere if you search for a bit.....

[MrB]

There really are conventional names for lock parts, even if I was humoring you before. You need to do a little searching to find the proper terms.

To get you started:

The part at the front where the key goes (it might not be golden or shiny, it could be bronze or nickel for example) is the face of the lock.

The actual keyhole is the keyway.

The decorative plate surrounding the lock face or keyhole may be called the escutcheon.

The whole lock assembly is the cylinder.

The rotating part in the middle is called the plug, and the outer part is the shell.

The bit on top in which the springs sit is the bible.

The holes where the pins and springs go are the tumbler chambers.

[rayman452]

1: That turning part is called the plug. The whole front part is called the lock face. The key is inserted into the plug. The shiny gold part that covers the whole cylinder (the part that is removable which also holds the plug) is called the escutcheon.




This is the plug in its shell. It’s pulled out slightly for demonstrating purposes, and it was taken from another lock, not the Kwikset. The blue outline is the plug, and is where the key is inserted. The red outlines the shell, and the pinholes there are what create the binding, along with the plug turned.


This picture attempts to describe the shear line. It is an imaginary line, and is drawn with a brown line for better understanding in this picture. The greenish blue bars represent the spring, the pinks are the top pins, and the dark green the bottom pins. This diagram, and a few more, will later attempt to teach you about this line, but for now, just remember it’s the brown line.


Although you cant see the pictures in this, does this sound ok as a discription of some basic parts I don't cover too well in the actual guide? MrB, your in my thank you section now . Its far from completion, has to be revised many times to re order the info, tested on my little "lab rats", and then its all good. But if you were to allow me to email this to anyone who wants a look, can you give me feedback?

{edited by Varjeal: email request denied. See forum rules for details}

[WhiteHat]

The key is inserted into the plug.

the key is inserted into the keyway - the keyway is part of the plug

pinholes

please don't call them that - pin chambers is much better - pinholes implies a tiny hole made by a pin (like a safety pin etc.)

The greenish blue bars represent the spring, the pinks are the top pins, and the dark green the bottom pins.

"top pins" = drivers, "bottom pins" = key pins - this is important because not all locks are installed with the drivers on top and the key pins on the bottom. the lock could be installed "upside down" or "sideways" it doesn't matter.

If you email right now, I can send you the files. Microsoft word.

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it's commendable that you're writing a guide, but do you think that you should have a better understanding of locks before you commence? - have you read the MIT guide?

[rayman452]

Oo crap, didnt see that... I understand how the lock works and all, but I just cant get the proper terminology. I also believe if I answer this withen 1-2 weeks of me learning how to pick my first lock, I'll be able to cover some questions and topics a newbie would need, and a experienced picker would overlook. It should just cut down on some questions.

[MrB]

OK, I should clarify about the escutcheon. It is not actually part of the lock or cylinder, it is a decorative surround.

In the case of a cylinder lock, it would be the decorative metal plate or dome surrounding the lock face (but not including the face, which is the front of the cylinder).

In the case of a mortice lever lock where the keyhole is set into the door, the escutcheon is a small decorative cover for the keyhole, but we can ignore that because we are not talking about that kind of lock.

[rayman452]

Ok, I got a Master lock #3 froma friend in school today, and was trying to pick it. I did it once at home, and it felt liek all the pins were set. My torque tool turned the plug slightly, and it didn't open. My question is, would this lock have a security pin in it? If so how to pick? THis is relevent since if I'm gonna make a guiude, I want to know if thats how security pins feel like. thx....

[toomush2drink]

Test each pin gently when this happens and see if the plug wants to turn back as you put pressure on a particulr pin. If this happens you have found yourself a spool pin or similar. keep pushing it up with very light tension until it sets properly and you should succeed.

Plenty has been mentioned on here of various ways to defeat them so a little search may reveal another explanation of how to set them if this one doesnt come across right or make sense.

[Buggs41]

If that #3 doesn't have security pins, it will open with the help of a small flat blade screwdriver. Some locks get all gunked up, and your tension wrench isn't strong enough to turn the plug enough to open it.

[rayman452]

O gwad...there is a security pin or two in this lock. I thought that a Master lock #3 wasn't supposed to be hard to open and shouldnt have pins. I can turn the plug a few degrees, and if I loosen tension, I feel the plug pushing back. I'm also getting a weird feeling from the first pin. It feels stuck when its pushed down, so Im thinking thats the one with the security pin. But it's also possible the second one has it also, but it may not... The last 2 pins are fine and set, and whenever I loosen tension, the first 2 pins fall. How would I go about doing this? I also tried doing this with the right side up, so gravity would pull the bottom pins down. The first pin still stays that way. So if it is the first pin, how would I go about setting it properally, and should that one be set before the second pin? last 2 are already set, and I've searched the forums. Still having a problem with my weiser, but Im pretty sure if I can do this lock, I can do that one.

THx

Rayman452

[rayman452]

Nvm I got the lock finally. Seems like every time I did it, it wasn't actually the spool pins pushing back, it was my tension wrench was in too far, and the wrench was stoping the plug from turning ...Now that that problem is solved, I can get back to my guide. I want to try a sercuirty pin lock now. Which masterlock number would have security pins and be easy as a first lock with security pins to pick?

[Varjeal]

Try an American 1105 padlock.

[rayman452]

Is there a possibility of one being able to be bought in Canadian Tire for under 10 bucks or so which has security pins, but relitivitly easy for a beginer to pick? Or would it be best to head down to my locksmith and ask to buy some spool pins, then put it into my kwicksest and go from there?

[digital_blue]

Hey rayman. I would go at the Kwikset for the few bits it'll cost you to beef it up. As a Canadian Tire connoisseur (sp?), I can tell you that I'm pretty sure there's nothing they offer in the $10 range that will provide a challenge to anyone but the total novice. If that's you, have at'er, but if you are looking for something with security pins, my guess is you're not a total novice.

Hope this helps. Happy picking!

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