Yeah, I gotta say that I'd be seriously PO'd if it got put in the advanced section, and that would, frankly, really be asking for a LOT of negative responses from other people on here, particularly those who don't have adv. forums access. Now, here's why:
The BIGGEST problem with doing that, by far, and it's a LOGISTICAL problem, not an ETHICAL one that most people would assume is what the argument is about, is this: There have been a great many posts on bumping already put in the public forums, so just
what are you going to do if you move it to the advanced sections?
Delete all previous topics about it? yeah, that'll go over well...(I think that this would not really be a practical option that would be considered, but anyway); there's already a HUGE amount of information on bumping, WAY more than you'd need to be able to learn how to do it on just about any lock, already in the public forums, so that really does totally defeat the purpose of making it an adv. sections only topic unless you're willing and able to go back and remove all the info. on here about it.
Lock all current bumping discussions and not allow any new ones? again--yeah, that'll go over well. What about me and RobertB? We've both got several discussions going on bumping that have become very popular and informative and neither one of us has access to the adv. forums, so you're going to do what: keep that knowledge that we contributed for yourself and then not let us discuss it on here unless we get into the adv. forums? AGAIN--that will NOT go over well, and that's really dam#ed selfish of the people who might do it, too (if that happened I think I'd be ready to chop someone's balls off with a butter knife
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Only allow ongoing bumping discussions but no new ones? that definately won't work out too well for ya as the current ones will just become like their own defacto 'bumping forum' and turn into huge 20-40-70 page-long monstrosities
Sorry, but if when the forum was started, bumping had been made an adv. forum topic, that would've worked out fine but now that it's already been inserted into the public forums, in a very big way I might add, it's just not really possible to move it. It's sort of like saying that you'll give $20 to every one of your 10 friends, and then stopping at number 6 because you changed your mind and don't feel like it anymore--that would NOT go over well, would it? AND it wouldn't be very fair either, huh?
I hate to say it, but frankly it just boils down to this: you waited too long, the train has left the station, the boulder has started rolling (and is getting exponentially bigger, in case you haven't noticed) and there's no way to stop it, so you're kinda screwed.
Oh, by the way, I do agree with you concerning the nature of bumping and whether or not it meets the criteria to be an adv. forums-only topic: it definately DOES: it's a very rapid, surreptitious, non-destructive form of lock bypass that will work on the very great majority of locks and it's relatively low-skill, relative to picking the SAME lock that is--as I think we've found out from recent discussions, bumping is NOT the quick and simple bypass-any-lock-in-5-seconds method that a ten-year-old could learn in a few minutes. Not even remotely CLOSE--it DOES take a suprising amount of skill and practice to be able to do it consistently and successfully on nearly as many locks as it should theoretically work on, and that, if nothing else, could be a redeming factor for it: it is NOT ANYWHERE NEAR as easy as Barry Wels portrays it as on his videos
P.S. PLEASE let's not let this turn into a flame war. If anything above was interpreted as flaming, insulting, or 'overly' argumentative, then I sincerely apologize--it was NOT meant to be.
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