Van Lock Info

by **SFGOON** » 30 Oct 2005 0:13

Didn't see THAT one coming... Welcome to the forums.

Oh, and don't mess with n2oah - that guy has one sweet f*ckin' blanky!

by **Chrispy** » 30 Oct 2005 0:13

See? Now isn't that better? Now everybody shake hands and we'll leave it at that.

by **Nasydave** » 30 Oct 2005 0:49

Everyone here has me suddenly confused. There are probably 30 threads on how to pick a tubular lock. There are 20 on how to pick a medeco. There are discussions on disk tumbler locks, and links to movies to show how to do all of these. All of these are also used on vending machines.

Yet someone posts a pic of a van lock clearly not installed in a machine, and everyone screams "high security" and "potential thief".

I've seen other threads get locked because they supposedly deal with "high security" stuff. But info on a lot of these is available all over. I can understand safe info being classified, because there seems to be no widely available public knowledge. But (for example) one thread about RFID cards and mag stripes... heck, the first issue of MAKE magazine showed how to build a card reader, and you can buy a writer if you give them scouts honor you're not going to break the law with it.

Anyway, end of rant. As far as the Van Lock, there's a pic of a pick for it here: http://www.security.org/Search/VerityDetail.cfm?ID=658

It's about the same as a tubular pick, with a little ring to guide it. (spacing is a little different)

by **Chrispy** » 30 Oct 2005 0:55

Meh, consistency is the devil. :wink:

by **webidiot2** » 30 Oct 2005 3:33

thanks nasy you seem to be the only one to agree with me.

by **TOWCH** » 30 Oct 2005 3:52

I think the unwritten rule is: "If you see it on a vending machine, don't mention it until you have 50-100 posts." :lol:

The whole situation escalated not so much because of what you asked, but because you weren't very diplomatic in your response to the replies that were less than helpful. An unfortunate trend on this site is the hostility towards a lot of the newcomers that is a result of the rampant paranoia of criminal intentions. You're not the first one to get their eyebrows singed by it. :wink:

by **Chrispy** » 30 Oct 2005 4:36

And you won't be the last.

by **n2oah** » 30 Oct 2005 12:58

Nasydave wrote:Yet someone posts a pic of a van lock clearly not installed in a machine, and everyone screams "high security" and "potential thief".

Yes, it was clearly not installed on a machine, but that picture was not taken by him, either. It was taken from the vanlock website. How did I know? The filenames were the exact same, both named "v1". The scratch pattern on the front was also the same, so for all we know, that lock that he wants to pick could be on a vending machine.

by **badbird** » 28 Feb 2006 18:35

webidiot2 wrote:does anybody have any information about van locks (no not the ones on a van). [/img]

This is probably a terribly inappropriate way to introduce myself to this forum - I'm bumping up an old thread and getting in the middle of a flame war, but the following information might be of some use for those who came here searching for VanLock information (I did).

There is nothing special about these handsome locks, compared to ordinary radial pin tumblers; for a skilled lock picker, they are remarkably pleasant to open and decode, as long as an appropriate (small & appropriately angled) tension tool is available. This lock's unusual design is meant to prevent common vandalism (jamming of here absent keyway) and destructive opening (no lever insertion opportunity), but nothing more.

To those who complained about providing VanLock information to the "unwashed masses" because of this lock's use in vending machines, I would like to point out that they're already described in detail (including a brief picking strategy) in Hampton's very much public book, "Modern High-Security Locks" (see Amazon).

As such, if one is willing to practice for several days and then spend 10 minutes picking in a public place to get a free soda, some change, and an overnight stay in county jail, he's not learning anything new from this forum...

by **Shrub** » 28 Feb 2006 19:14

Regardless of that the sites rules are the sites rules.

Anyway, welcome to the site.

by **Bahrg** » 1 Mar 2006 2:43

You know I have seen this type of thing on other forums that contained "sensitive" information. Long time members seem really quick to jump on a newb. Sometimes coming off as arrogant. From what I have seen tho, most of these people are rather intelligent. They can smell BS right over the net lol.

I think sometimes innocents get caught up in their vigilance. However a new member must remember that these long time members have also spent alot of time developing the site in the way they wish. I don't see any request for cash. Free service, if you really find it to much to bear the door does swing both ways. I myself left one of the "sensitive info" boards because it was seriously overmoderated. To the point of anyone new to the board had their messages scrutinized by a mod and deleted before even hitting the board. Bans were also handed out on a routine basis for very minor things. Bottom line is, its their board and since I didn't think the info was worth the attitude I left. I didn't leave any nasty messages on the way out either. :lol:

Not that it ever would have been seen by anyone but a mod :wink:

by **Isakill** » 1 Mar 2006 11:55

woah... then i'm lucky I guess :shock:

Cause my first post had something to do with a car door lock just 4 days ago.
heh sorry bout that :oops:

by **pizarro** » 2 Mar 2006 7:14

(before you read this, I'm not having a go at anyone specific, so please do not take offence)

What is classed as Sensitive info tends to depend on what and how you are asking.

You can notice that people will quite openly discuss features of the high security locks (e.g. sidebars, pin in pin, the interactive pin on a multlock, etc), explaining what they do and/or how they stop a lock from opening. But when a newbie who hasn't even reached double digits in their post count yet ask for a virtually guaranteed quick, easy and no skill way of opening one of these locks, while showing absolutely no interrest in how that generic type of lock works, it just doesn't fill us with confidance. Oh, and when they insult you for trying to explain how the lock works, and not just supplying them with a one line solution that opens that lock, what would you think of their motives.

If you don't like the service, I'm sure that we will refund you your money..... wait a moment..... It's free, so heres the hugely expensive nothing you paid.....

As I stated at the begining, I'm not having a go at you and/or anyone inparticular (Ok, I may be having a go at some of the anoying people who have got themselves banned), so please don't take offence.

by **greyman** » 2 Mar 2006 12:49

OK, so much for the picking question etc. Now to the meaty bit: how does the recombination mechanism on the Vanmatic lock work? Note: this is not a picking question!

by **Bahrg** » 2 Mar 2006 20:49

pizarro wrote:What is classed as Sensitive info tends to depend on what and how you are asking.

If you don't like the service, I'm sure that we will refund you your money..... wait a moment..... It's free, so heres the hugely expensive nothing you paid.....

Well said

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