Safes and teargas

[zeke79]

I see your point, but the line must be drawn somewhere. So far, in my opinion this thread has not crossed that line. This is in fact why we have the advanced sections, to discuss safes and other high security mechanisms in depth.

Stick around for a while, apply after you meet the requirements and you too can join in the fun of safe discussion in the advanced forums.

[Father Time]

You have no idea how much I look forward to that.

I hope to be a good citizen here in the meanwhile. And if I step beyond the boundries, it is from ignorance rather than ill intention.

I got newbie stink all over me.

Stand over there.


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[Schuyler]

I guess I do not see what is ironic.... I simply posted what to stay away from, not how to freeze a safe with liquid nitrogen and start bashing away at it (who was it that done that again?) ...

Heh, I think he meant that "locking" something on a lockpicking forum is ironic not what it was that might get locked specifically. And, yeah, I've had the same thought. Hehe.

I love it when people post the "threadlocker" picture.

and I kind of miss the yellow-cards

[maxxed]

Again, the identitiy of safes that came standard with these would be appreciated. As well, the identity of manufacturers who sold these as retrofits around what era and region.

I have seen 2 units that were still on the safe and one unit stored in a styrofoan box. The installed units were both on different makes of safes but the tear gas units were identical . I don't recall seeing an markings on the safes that indicated that the safes had teargas units installed. I noticed that the vials would be broken if the back plate was punched, so standard drilling or manipulation techniques would not create any hazzard.
When servicing a safe look for an additional box attached behind the combination that doesn't look like a factory piece, all three I have seen were royal blue and had the name Badger on them.

[Raccoon]

Thanks maxxed. Would you remember which safes, so this might narrow down the region and era of when they were in vogue?

[raimundo]

before the tapered spindle/armature was introduced, some safecrackers used a pin punch and simply drove the spindle through with a large hammer, until it was knocked back into the box, this also dismounts the tumblers and they fall out of the way of the fence so the box can be opened, the old dinamite bolts used to be held in place by a pin or tab coming out of the thin metal backside of the door, and when the back of the door was driven back, the dinamite bolts were released, (now called relockers, and associated with a glass plate that holds them from setting) this was probably the reason for the glass vials but when you think about it, setting one of these off probably didn't do much to the safecracker who remained on the outside of the door, but it did contaminate the contents of the safe and and considering that the safecracker would not then want the toxic cash, he probably left the problem for the poor locksmith who was called in for the cleanup job. most of the nasty would have remained inside the safe.

[lockjaw]

Thanks maxxed. Would you remember which safes, so this might narrow down the region and era of when they were in vogue?

FYI:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5308a4.htm

http://www.uhl.uiowa.edu/OLDnewsroom/annualreport/1999/tear_gas.xml

http://www.ncjrs.gov/app/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=113749

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4299176.PN.&OS=PN/4299176&RS=PN/4299176

http://patimg1.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=US002804029&PageNum=1&&IDKey=50F3471BE926&HomeUrl=http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1%2526Sect2=HITOFF%2526d=PALL%2526p=1%2526u=%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsrchnum.htm%2526r=1%2526f=G%2526l=50%2526s1=2804029.PN.%2526OS=PN/2804029%2526RS=PN/2804029

http://patimg1.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=US001578115&PageNum=1&&IDKey=D81756D1C567&HomeUrl=http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1%2526Sect2=HITOFF%2526d=PALL%2526p=1%2526u=%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsrchnum.htm%2526r=1%2526f=G%2526l=50%2526s1=1578115.PN.%2526OS=PN/1578115%2526RS=PN/1578115

http://patimg2.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=US001862258&PageNum=1&&IDKey=7DE54917F751&HomeUrl=http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1%2526Sect2=HITOFF%2526d=PALL%2526p=1%2526u=%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsrchnum.htm%2526r=1%2526f=G%2526l=50%2526s1=1862258.PN.%2526OS=PN/1862258%2526RS=PN/1862258

[jordyh]

Wow, thanks!

[maxxed]

Thanks maxxed. Would you remember which safes, so this might narrow down the region and era of when they were in vogue?

The safes were common JJ Talor and I believe a Carey, I have serviced many safes identical to the units I found the teargas in. The teargas vials were installed after the safes were purchased and may have been installed to protect high risk targets. I will recomend useing caution when working on safes in jewlery stores, drug stores, or any other location that would have had large amounts of cash.

The links provided by lockjaw are definitly worth reading for anyone working on safes

[Father Time]

Yes indeed, boys and girls. Don't try this at home.

Instead, crack a brew and watch The Myth Busters.

You'll have more fun than I did.


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