KWIKSET SAFEKEY

[zeke79]

Jaakko,

Personally I agree that abloy classic should be for open discussion as the mechanism has been defeated already and tools are fairly easy to make to do so if you have access to machining equipment such as a lathe and a mill ( like me , no pm requests please). The design is so simple and aged that it would be nice to have it open forum. I think we would get alot of good ideas floating around from members who are very smart but not in the advanced forum.

Just my $.02, err well my $.01 and I owe you a penny.

[dougfarre]

Jaakko,

Personally I agree that abloy classic should be for open discussion as the mechanism has been defeated already and tools are fairly easy to make to do so if you have access to machining equipment such as a lathe and a mill ( like me , no pm requests please). The design is so simple and aged that it would be nice to have it open forum.

Oh god YES. OPEN HER UP!!

Considering my thoughts are so influential at the moment. I would also like for for everyone to consider reorganizing the forum to replace the "Locks" discussion with the name to "Masterlocks " and then have another section for "Locks that Look like Masterlocks." and then everything else can fall into the category "Other Locks that Are Not Masterlocks."

And can we move all the masterlock discussions to the very bottom of the page where they are out of my field of vision, where i accidentally might NEVER see them.

Just a thought.

[Jaakko]

Personally I agree that abloy classic should be for open discussion as the mechanism has been defeated already and tools are fairly easy to make to do

Only the older ones are easy to open, the newer ones have a small change made that resist decoding of the lock. So they are not defeated if I'm asked, although I have a tool for those also (NDE)

so if you have access to machining equipment such as a lathe and a mill ( like me , no pm requests please).

How about email?

The design is so simple and aged that it would be nice to have it open forum. I think we would get alot of good ideas floating around from members who are very smart but not in the advanced forum.

Ideas of what exactly? Opening methods? There ain't so many, primarily decoding the lock is the only way.

Just my $.02, err well my $.01 and I owe you a penny.

[dougfarre]

Oh man, i can feel the information and ideas are about to start gushing.

Don't stop guys, i think we are on a break-through here.....

May I instigate here a little? Hey Jaako, why don't you elaborate on some of those methods, like when the MACS on the older Abloy style locks weren't cut quite as EXTREME as they are making these days..

[Jaakko]

May I instigate here a little? Hey Jaako, why don't you elaborate on some of those methods, like when the MACS on the older Abloy style locks weren't cut quite as EXTREME as they are making these days..

MACS on Abloy? There ain't no limitation other than the maximum and minimum cuts difference. You can cut a 0505050505 key and it works fine. Abloy doesn't have restrictions when cutting the key, except one and that is that the key has to have one zero cut so that the lock can operate.

I'm not elaborating my or others methods on open forums, so...

[Jaakko]

And sorry for the hijack

[dougfarre]

You miss understand me. What I am saying, is that there is ways of bypassing Abloy "style" locks when the MACS have not been cut to an extreme depth. Im not talking about Abloy locks, im talking about locks that can be found on common U locks used for locking bicycles that use Abloy technology.

[Eyes_Only]

Is that the one made by MasterLock they sell at Home Depot?

[dougfarre]

! No, its starts i with a kryp and ends with an ite.

[mercurial]

...when the MACS have not been cut to an extreme depth.

This doesn't seem to make any sense at all, especially when referring to Abloy style locks. For starters, there is no such thing as a Maximum Adjacent Cut Specification (MACS) for these locks. As stated above, the one restriction is that there must be at least one 0 cut.

Obviously describing bypass methods is not permitted here, but given that are you able to clarify what you mean?

I can understand why Jaakko is confused, so am I.

...Mark

[Gordon Airporte]

Kind of perverse to get into Abloy technology in a thread with 'Kwikset' in the title
It would be best to start a thread in the Locks forum.

[Eyes_Only]

I'd love to join in and add some relevent and productive info to this Kwikset challange but so far I've busted open 4 Smart Key locks and I just found out I need to start buying tools for work again so I can't afford anymore Smart Key locks for a while to practice actual picking on these things.

[Jaakko]

Kind of perverse to get into Abloy technology in a thread with 'Kwikset' in the title

Shhhh, they are on to us!

There is a comprehensive Abloy topic on advanced locks area

Eyes_Only, how much that lock costs you if it is too much to pay?

[Gordon Airporte]

There is a comprehensive Abloy topic on advanced locks area

From which I totally learned how to defeat them with just a coat hanger
I meant in the public forums, but now that I look back at Zeke's post I understand that there isn't an official policy yet.

[Eyes_Only]

The lock cost me a little less than $30 but I've busted open three of them so with tax included I have spent about $90.

I just ordered some high security auto pick tools for work and that set me back about $150 and found out I need to spend nearly $450 more for additional tools to cover Mercedes, BMW and VW so I just don't have the funds to waste on a crap lock like Kwikset. High security auto lockouts will make more money than a residential lockout anyways.

Plus I need a new car.