Lock Picking 101 Forum
A community dedicated to the fun and ethical hobby of lock picking.
       

Lock Picking 101 Home
Login
Profile
Members
Forum Rules
Frequent Forum Questions
SEARCH
View New Posts
View Active Topics


Live Chat on Discord
LP101 Forum Chat
Keypicking Forum Chat
Reddit r/lockpicking Chat



Learn How to Pick Locks
FAQs & General Questions
Got Beginner Questions?
Pick-Fu [Intermediate Level]


Ask a Locksmith
This Old Lock
This Old Safe
What Lock Should I Buy?



Hardware
Locks
Lock Patents
Lock Picks
Lock Bumping
Lock Impressioning
Lock Pick Guns, Snappers
European Locks & Picks
The Machine Shop
The Open Source Lock
Handcuffs


Member Spotlight
Member Introductions
Member Lock Collections
Member Social Media


Off Topic
General Chatter
Other Puzzles


Locksmith Business Info
Training & Licensing
Running a Business
Keyways & Key Blanks
Key Machines
Master Keyed Systems
Closers and Crash Bars
Life Safety Compliance
Electronic Locks & Access
Locksmith Supplies
Locksmith Lounge


Buy Sell Trade
Buy - Sell - Trade
It came from Ebay!


Advanced Topics
Membership Information
Special Access Required:
High Security Locks
Vending Locks
Advanced Lock Pick Tools
Bypass Techniques
Safes & Safe Locks
Automotive Entry & Tools
Advanced Buy/Sell/Trade


Locksport Groups
Locksport Local
Chapter President's Office
Locksport Board Room
 

Evidence of Picking - Forensic?

Having read the FAQ's you are still unfulfilled and seek more enlightenment, so post your general lock picking questions here.
Forum rules
Do not post safe related questions in this sub forum! Post them in This Old Safe

The sub forum you are currently in is for asking Beginner Hobby Lock Picking questions only.

Re: TV

Postby maxxed » 30 Apr 2008 0:30

raimundo wrote:what GM did was change the warding every few years,


GM repeated the codes every seven years
maxxed
 
Posts: 736
Joined: 18 Mar 2006 12:09
Location: Saskatchewan, Canada

Re: Evidence of Picking - Forensic?

Postby grim » 2 May 2008 0:44

Stormseye wrote:1. For a professional, how long might an average pick job take? You see on TV (NCIS, etc) that it can be done in a matter of seconds, but is that just fiction?
2. Would it be silent to someone on the inside?
3. Would it leave evidence on the lock? Would the evidence be visible to the naked eye on the exterior, or is the lock dismantled and sent to a lab?


i'm sure that all of these questions have already been answered in one form or another, but i just want to add my 25 cents.

1
it really depends. i've had some locks pick so quickly that it actually startled me. others that should have been easy have slapped me around really good. it really breaks down to a few issues:
    the picker's "hand". sometimes a specific person might have trouble whereas someone just as adept may have no trouble at all.

    the tools being used. just as it's easier to repair an auto or build a home when you have the proper tools, it's typically easier to pick a lock with the right tools. however, if you don't have the necessary skills to build a house in the first place, then even the most expensive hammers and saws won't make up for your deficiencies.

    the lock. some locks are just easier to pick than others. there are a number of factors that are best explained through mathematics, but i'll skip it for now and just say that some locks tend to be easier.

2
no. picking is never silent unless you're picking your lock with a cotton swab. (db -- care to try THAT one with cotton intact?) the cold hard facts are that you're "whacking metal against metal" and it's suspended in the middle of a large diaphragm (diaphragm = door) that can acoustically amplify the sound just like a drum head.

3
yes. i'd rather not go into specific details here, but each method of manipulation DOES "leave it's mark". quite often those pieces of evidence can point to the specific type of method used to manipulate the lock. and sometimes it can even point to the actual tool type as well. sometimes this evidence is external, sometimes internal and sometimes both.

for your sake, i hope this may have answered your questions, and for my sake, i hope i was sufficiently vague. :wink:
grim

Remember: Anything can be made "Foolproof", but nothing can be made "Damnfool Proof".
if i post it here, it STAYS here unless you have explicit permission from myself or the admins of this site.
grim
 
Posts: 146
Joined: 1 Mar 2006 13:39
Location: central pennsylvania, USA

evidence

Postby raimundo » 2 May 2008 8:20

for the guy writing a book, there could be some very perishable evidence, if someone came home and found the plug turned a little bit in the cylinder, when the plug is turned enough to allow the key to go in the lock will also audibly drop the pins, so the evidence could just be the story told by the first person to arrive.
If he knew he was going to pick the lock, and knew or had ever seen the key, (he could have seen the key in another city as the owner would have carried it around) this would identify the blank and he could make a bump key or he could have even made an impression of it into a stick of foil wrapped gum. the foil takes the impression nicely. with that, he could have made an actual key. A bump key is unlikely to attract attention on a keyring.
Wake up and smell the Kafka!!!
raimundo
 
Posts: 7130
Joined: 21 Apr 2004 9:02
Location: Minnneapolis

Book ideas!

Postby gratefuldeadbolt » 8 Jul 2008 20:05

Sounds like a good book...

Without knowing too much about these "criminals" the main character is after it is difficult to devise 'methods' of their ability to detect the fact that the lock has been manipulated.

Are these "criminals" paranoid enough and to be expecting an intrusion?
Are these "criminals" knowledgeable enough to know what to look for?
Are these "criminals" devious enough to spray some kind of epoxy over the entire lock knowing that when an attempt is made to pick / manipulate the lock the would be picker would likely touch the lock or surrounding material at some point disturbing this clever epoxy trap.... leaving signs of manipulation! :wink:

What floor is the apartment on? James bond might climb out a neighbors window...and over to the adjoining balcony! (NOT RECOMMENDED IN REAL LIFE!) - nor is picking another persons lock without permission. ESPECIALLY if they are criminals - they just might SHOOT YOU!
gratefuldeadbolt
 
Posts: 20
Joined: 7 Sep 2006 19:04
Location: Hamilton Ontario, Canada

Previous

Return to Got Questions? - Ask Beginner Hobby Lockpicking Questions Here

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest