Medeco pickproof?

[vector40]

What I am saying is I can give just about any foole off of the street a 30 second lesson a tension wrench, rake, and a Kwikset and that person will open that lock within a few minutes.

Gosh... he's better than I am, then D:

[toppercat]

I like my 18 volt cordless Bosch pick personally. lol.

[digital_blue]

What kind of Medeco did you get and where did you get it? Ebay?

Yes, ebay. Kind... um... yeah.... Medeco. I'm not even sure how to answer that. It is the biaxial variety. It has the older style rotating pins with the grooves that run continuous through the side.

Does that answer the question?

db

[toppercat]

Maybe you can describe the key. The head of the key? any symbols or writing? Shape? That can help identify which system was used. Is it biaxial? for sure? Maybe triaxial? That might be too new. Plain old medeco? As far as I know they all have the groove running down the side of the pins except the cam locks. Cam locks dont use a shear line but rely on the sidebar alone. Did it come in a box? what color was the box if you remember?

[digital_blue]

- No original box.
- On newer Medecos the groove does not run the full length of the pin. This was done to prevent a method of decoding.
- Large gold key with square head.
- Not near key or lock atm, so I can't give you any better info just now.

Cheers.

db

[toppercat]

Thats odd. I just got through keying up about 28 medeco patrior mortise cylinders this afternoon. I had ordered the pins yesterday from our distributer because I had this huge job and didn't want to run out of pins. All of the pins had the groove all the way through. They however had "mushroom grooves" laterally to furthure prevent picking which I see as new. The pins I ordered are medeco original stock numbers. So I would be pretty sure that your system is either triaxial, which I am not familiar with right now, or an aftermarket thing that someone made for medeco.

[toppercat]

Patriot. Dang. Cant Spel today

[fixer]

I wonder if the person getting in ever had access to the lock while the door was open?

If I wanted to get back in to some place, I would remove the lock, dump out the sidebar and all but the first chamber and put the lock back on the door. Then to get in, all I would have to do is pick the first chamber to the shearline and not have to worry about the other chambers.

The owner would have no idea that anything was wrong since their key would still work in the lock.

Just an idea from the mind of someone paid to be paranoid.

[raimundo]

really, all but the first pin? do you know that the lock can then become picked and sit with the plug at an angle just from the pulling out of the key, the idea that someone would not notice supposes that they don't feel the pins they push the key past.

[chopitup]

really, all but the first pin? do you know that the lock can then become picked and sit with the plug at an angle just from the pulling out of the key, the idea that someone would not notice supposes that they don't feel the pins they push the key past.

Still. They could have just popped the sidebar out which makes picking it much more possible.

[digital_blue]

I would think you'd be better off leaving all the key pins in, and just removing all but one driver pins (and springs, of course). I've never tried this, but I imagine it would more closely approximate the feel of pushing in the key. Also, I think I'd be more inclined to leave 2 pin stacks complete as opposed to just one. With no sidebar, this would still be an overwhelmingly easy pick.

db

[Ezer]

I recently got several Medecos off Ebay, and one was combinated with no keys. It turns out only one locksmith within an hour of here works on any high security locks, and what he'll do is limited.

When I went in he wanted to know what the lock was for, where I got it, and all that kind of stuff. When I told him it was a practice lock for picking, he laughed at me and told me there's not a person alive that can pick one. He said even with the sidebar out and only one pin in you can't pick it. After he got tired of insulting me, he said that it'll be around $12 to cut one key, and he'll call me tomorrow when it's done. I think when I go back tomorrow I should take another Medeco with me with only one pin and no sidebar and pick it in front of him.

[Chrispy]

Also, I think I'd be more inclined to leave 2 pin stacks complete....

- db

Even leaving 3 stacks complete and removing the springs, head and bottom pins from the last 2 stacks would be an easy pick. It would still feel like a normal lock, to a non-picker.

[n2oah]

When I told him it was a practice lock for picking, he laughed at me and told me there's not a person alive that can pick one

Well you'd better bring your picks and show him! You should bring a video camera too just so we can get some cheap laughs off of it.

[capt.dunc]

i've used the trick of removing all the pins but the first stack for escapology tricks.

all but the first pin? do you know that the lock can then become picked and sit with the plug at an angle just from the pulling out of the key, the idea that someone would not notice supposes that they don't feel the pins they push the key past.

not a problem with a well sprung padlock.

i liked the original bit of this thread, i've used fouth floor windows for entry, when i've not had my picks with me but could borrow ropes and a harness. there's nearly always a way round a lock.