product called pickbuster

[Shrub]

I wil let others field further questions,

[jimb]

Do climate changes have any affect on this product or the lock it's in, like freezing temps and very hot days, humidity, moisture?

[UAPLTD]

Jimb.............not that I am aware of. We have just purchased a humidity chamber which will subject the product to extreme cold and hot humid conditions (50 degrees cecius at 95% relitive humidity). We will start the test next Friday. However I suspect it will pass the test given the diverted technology referredto earlier which its self get involved in very very hot and extremes of cold (minus 30+) and very moist conditions. Our tests will confirm this.

[Jaakko]

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This is the delicate issue. What do we do:- do nothing and let homes be burgled, especially the vulnerable or offer a solution. Remember it was not UAP who created the buzz but a German manufacturer offering an anti bump cylinder.

Ah, those pesky Germans. Ever heard of Abloy and its bump proof cylinders since 1907? So don't blame Germans.

If the test lab would have tested solvents, the first test would be water. Then acetone (nailpolish remover), gasoline, alcohol, brake fluid, oven cleaner, this list will be huge if I go to check the kitchen closet. WD-40 is not a solvent, it is water displacer.

Salt spray is good measure. For salty atmosphere. When testing for CORROSION RESISTANCE. Not for how long some glue like substance stays in a lock. For real dirt and grime test I suggest the same as Shrub: A week by the highway with Pickbuster applied and not, so two cylinders for a week side by side to get accurate comparison.

You should also test Cillit Bang

[Jaakko]

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This is the delicate issue. What do we do:- do nothing and let homes be burgled, especially the vulnerable or offer a solution. Remember it was not UAP who created the buzz but a German manufacturer offering an anti bump cylinder.

Ah, those pesky Germans. Ever heard of Abloy and its bump proof cylinders since 1907? So don't blame Germans.

If the test lab would have tested solvents, the first test would be water. Then acetone (nailpolish remover), gasoline, alcohol, brake fluid, oven cleaner, this list will be huge if I go to check the kitchen closet. WD-40 is not a solvent, it is water displacer.

Salt spray is good measure. For salty atmosphere. When testing for CORROSION RESISTANCE. Not for how long some glue like substance stays in a lock. For real dirt and grime test I suggest the same as Shrub: A week by the highway with Pickbuster applied and not, so two cylinders for a week side by side to get accurate comparison.

You should also test Cillit Bang

[UAPLTD]

Jaakko. Thanks for the list. It seems reasonable and we will get this lot tested as a start.

The WD40 test was done becuase the rumour a few weeks ago was that WD40 could flush out Pickbuster.

As for the others, we have tried water to dissolve the product but it doesn't.

We shall test to see if Pickbuster dissolves or chemically reacts with those items you mentioned. As for Cillit Bang

[UAPLTD]

Jaakko. Yes the cylinders by the roadside seems sensible and fairly quick and easy. We'll try a motorway.......we will test against lock function. Thanks

[freakparade3]

How about a blank key heated with a propane torch? What affect will high heat have on Pickbuster? If the heat breaks it down to a thinner state bumping and picking should be no problem then.

[UAPLTD]

Freakparade3.............blimey................. we have not doubt that your forum would find a way of Bumping a cylinder with Pickbuster, and propane with a heated key is up amongst the most original I have heard.

But what we are concerned with is the likely burglary by an average to proficient burglar within a time frame of 5 minutes or so using tools and materials that they could easily conceal.

Household chemicals, small amounts of petrol etc all make sense.

So Freakparade3 I think we will test this out of curiosity and because it brought a smile to my face and made me forget I have got to finish my daughters floor at some stage

[UWSDWF]

careful... metal expands with heat....

[freakparade3]

Please let us know the results of the test.

[UWSDWF]

might be a little more practical to put it in a low temperature oven

[UAPLTD]

Guys. I will now be leaving this forum for a few days whilst I get the tests done and let you get back to your normal discussions.

I understand the outstanding issues regarding the dirt/grime and solvent issues. We will undertake tests and report back to you with our results.

Thank you for giving me the opportunity to discuss Pickbuster with you all. It is much appreciated,and the propane idea is still making me smile.

Thanks. I will post the results fully as promised.

[globallockytoo]

I must say, this has been an interesting read. And thanks to UAPLTD for being so accomodating. It is not often that a manufacturer or manufacturers representative will come into the lions den to share their thoughts and processes. Compliments to you.

I'm puzzled by one aspect only so far...

Above, in your application of pickbuster...you mentioned that the product was applied and then the cylinder was rebuilt or reassembled...or something like that.

I originally thought (please correct me if I am wrong) that this product is designed to be applied without the need to dismantle, reassemble or repin the cylinders?

Should the case be required for a complete repin of said cylinders...this dramatically changes the service applications IMHO...because it will require a locksmith or cylinder maintenance technician to modify a cylinder. This significantly adds to the costs and consequently might not be a simple publicly available remedy as is hoped.

[horsefeathers]

I think he was suggesting that UAP could also supply pre-filled cylinders (sold as bump-proof) so lockies/stores could buy and sell them as such.

They also market the retro fit version as we know - ie the dispensers so that lockies could squirt into customers existing locks.

regards