lockpicking CD - help!!

by **master in training** » 21 Mar 2005 21:54

sounds great! thank you!

am i just following your posts or what? you post on this topic, then the next and im just following you :lol:

by **Peaky** » 22 Mar 2005 7:36

I am sorry to now throw a spanner in the works but since this cd was first mentioned all i have been thinking about was the ebay thing,

When 50 post count limits and watermarked work along with an activation code were mentioned i was a little easier but then quotes like this are posted....
"i dont mind posting cds for ages, once a CD is in one area that person can pass it on and stuff like that, "
and i loose all my faith in the project again,

Yes on site all the info can be found, what you are forgetting is that newbes dont know what to search for and very rarely get any tips or advise until they have read the site a bit, any theives or missing links get caught out within a few posts and told to get stuffed, what you are providing here is basically an anarchists cookbook for would be lockpickers and with very little control on who gets it,
It only takes one person to copy it and sell it on ebay then everyone is in a mess.

I am sorry but until i can see a definate copy protection system and controlled user base i would like you to remove any work that i have posted on 101 from the cd or any other publications that is not 101, i intend for any work i submit to 101 to be for the use of 101 only, sorry.

Dont yee all forget the new 101 based MIT style guide will be more than enough for any newbes wanting info.

by **zeke79** » 22 Mar 2005 8:29

Peaky,

I know copy protection would help but it can still be easily defeated. I guess I had not really thought about the liability of the site with a "lockpicking 101" CD. Maybe Varjeal needs to be approached with this matter who can then forward the matter to Mr. Picks. I too do not want this to fall into the wrong hands or onto ebay as things have in the past. I will go ahead and contact Varjeal and we can go from there for the sake of the site

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by **master in training** » 22 Mar 2005 8:43

ok, good point peaky, in that case, the cd is put on hold indefinately until some kind of protection can be sorted out.

if anyone is on a really slow connection i dont mind helping out by burning the videos to cd and posting it to someone if i know they are trustworthy and im feeling nice, other than that, theres no point bothering with cds because of how easily it could be used wrongly.

like peaky said, the new mit guide will be out soon hopefully, that'll cover most things, anything else can be searched for on the forum.

by **digital_blue** » 22 Mar 2005 10:12

Um... copy protection doesn't really help. If the material is on the CD and can be viewed (as the most "damaging" material is text based) then the info could easily be extracted and burned on to a different CD. I think if it's going to happen it's going to happen. The idea that it's better off not on a cd because here on the forum the potential rippoff artist would have to search is akin to security by obscurity and we all know how much that works, right?

db

by **master in training** » 22 Mar 2005 10:19

so what are you saying db, leave the cd idea because whatever we do it'll get ripped off?

by **zeke79** » 22 Mar 2005 10:49

Ok, I have spoke with Varjeal and as of now the CD is on hold and should not be distributed at this point. After further consideration of liabilities I would also like my material, name, and site to be removed from the disk :cry:

. I am sure there will be a more in depth discussion on the matter as information becomes available.

by **master in training** » 22 Mar 2005 11:04

its ok, dont worry about it, the cd no longer exists. i've scrapped the idea and deleted the files i was thinking of using in it.

by **zeke79** » 22 Mar 2005 11:06

MIT you know what's funny. You have been a member here for just over a month and have more posts than I do and I have been a member for getting close to 2 years now :lol:

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by **master in training** » 22 Mar 2005 11:14

it seems like i just post crap ideas anyway so i probably wont bother posting much now.

by **zeke79** » 22 Mar 2005 11:27

This wasnt a bad idea at all. The unfortuanate thing is that in todays society there are many many people out for a free ride at the expense of others hard work. Add to that the others who will take this information to strip people of the things they work every day of their lives for to provide their families a roof over their heads and food in their mouths and you can see everyones point. You intentions show that you are going to be a great addition to the forums. In fact I think we need more people like you who are willing to give more than they take so please do not stop posting here. I for one value you efforts as a member as I am sure many other do also.

by **digital_blue** » 22 Mar 2005 12:18

For the record, I was in favour of the CD idea. I just think that an attempt to lock it down would be futile. I am a strong supporter of the Open Source philosophy, and as such, I like the idea. My thought is that if people in this community want to release information on a 'open source' platform they are doing a service to all of us.

I seriously don't see the issue with somebody packing up all the freely distributable info and putting it on a cd. How is this any different from zeke's web site? I don't think the medium changes the message.

As far as those who might take such a cd and sell it on e-bay... so what? I fail to see how this hurts any of us. It is a shame that some lowlife can make a few bucks doing this type of stuff, but it hurts me not. It is also a shame that some poor fool who didn't take the time to do a little (and I mean very little) bit of research is going to get sapped out of said few bucks, but again, it hurts me not.

Now on to the liability issues. Seriously now. Just putting the info on a cd in no way makes you, me, or anyone else any more or less liable than when we post the same info on this site. Those who have graciously made their material available to zeke for addition to his site are assuming the very same liability (which, in my non-lawyer oppinion is a big fat zilch). Under what circumstances would one invision this becoming a problem?

It would appear that the idea of a cd is becoming a dead issue. To be honest, though I like the idea I suspect it would have had a limited audience in this high-speed age, but I think it unfortunately has been shot down for all the wrong reasons.

db

by **maty68** » 22 Mar 2005 20:14

I thought thought the cd was a great idea..but as some have pointed out, liability does become an issue. I remember reading or hearing somewhere that in Germany they have laws that state if you teach someone a method to enable an individual or group to commit a crime then you as the teacher can also be held responsible and deemed to have played a major part in that crime. I think German law classifies this as organized crime...something along those lines anyway.

by **Red** » 22 Mar 2005 20:59

I have followed all of these posts from the beginning and am sorry to hear that the cd is being scrapped. It sounded like a lot of really good topics were going to be covered and it would have been a tremendous resource for hobbyists. It's just so difficult to put something like this together and protect yourself and others at the same time.

What is most unfortunate is that there are always others that slither by and live off of others hard work. There is no way to keep the scum on eBay from copying and distributing it.

I have first hand knowledge of this because I am constantly chasing down sellers that have stolen images and text from one of our websites as well as those that blatently sell copies of cd's they've purchased from us. They pay $19.95 - $39.95 for their copy and redistribute for $4.99 on eBay and think nothing of it. It doesn't matter that the worked is copyrighted or that someone else worked their butt off for years to put the work together - they do it anyway.

I've had members from this forum very politely contact me and ask permission to use content or images from one of our sites - as long as I give permission and credit is given as well as a live link back to the original site - it's fine.

That's what blows me away...all of the members of this forum are 100% decent. When I needed help with a project Varjeal was really decent and generous and I really appreciate it. All of the time in any dealings with Lockpickshop or myself (as an individual) the forum members have been great ...but outside of this forum...forget it! Nothing but trouble and headaches. Better to stay inside the box sometimes.

by **josephhkim** » 22 Mar 2005 23:15

We could use a fingerprint system. Every COMPUTER has a different fingerprint. To open the files, it will provide u with a number and only the creator and generate teh correct fingerprints. This could help protect the cd.

lockpicking CD - help!!

Sorry that the cd is being scrapped

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