HOW DO YOU OPEN MORTICE LOCKS

by **vivi** » 7 Dec 2003 17:08

IVE LOOKED EVERYWHERE ON THE INTERNET AND I CANT SEEM TO FIND PICKS AND INFO ON PICKING MORTICE LOCKS. I KNOW MORTICE PICKS EXIST BUT WHERE CAN U GET THEM FROM? :cry:

ANY INFO WOULD BE HELPFUL

by **The Key Maker** » 7 Dec 2003 19:06

By mortice locks are we talking about lever mortice locks. If so they are difficult to pick and it is very difficult if you arent a locksmith to buy the picks. Infact i havent found anywhere that sells them to non-locksmiths here in the uk.

For more info on these types of locks, search for "lever locks"

A question from me - are all mortice locks lever locks or is the word mortice just an expression for a type of lock design?!

by **Mini-Blue** » 7 Dec 2003 20:12

"Mortise lock" describes not only the key mechanism but the actual lockworks.

Mortise locks can be found with pin tumbler, lever tumbler, or even warded locks.

Mortise lever locks are far more common in the UK than they are here in the US.

Stateside, lever locks have become exceedingly rare and are normally found only in situations where resistance to NDE is paramount. (Safe Deposit Boxes, pay telephones, night deposit boxes, etc.) Such locks often contain enough anti-picking measures (serrated stumps and tumblers, ultra thin and closely spaced levers, etc...) to make NDE a practical impossibility. (Impossible for a criminal at a crime scene but not for a picker sitting in his living room with all the time in the world.)

That's a bit ironic when you consider that when Hobbs invented the pin tumbler lock, everyone thought picking lever tumblers was easy and that picking the 5-pin tumbler was near impossible.

Times change.

by **Mini-Blue** » 7 Dec 2003 20:30

Augh, I mis-spoke myself.

I meant to say YALE, not Hobbs.

Sorry.

by **Chubby** » 7 Dec 2003 21:20

"Mortise lock" describes not only the key mechanism but the actual lockworks.

'X'

They are called mortice locks because they are designed to fit into a mortice (rectangular recess) cut into the door.

The lock fits into a mortice that has been 'cut out' of the door edge, hence the term mortice lock, when the locking bolt is fixed in position by turning the key this is known as 'deadlocking' hence the term mortice deadlock, mortice locks provide greater front, side and back door security by being physically embedded or "morticed" into the door itself. And 'No!' not all mortice locks are leverlocks... :wink:

Generally speaking, there are two types of mortice locks; the mortice deadlock and the mortice sashlock:

Sashlock mortice(left) Deadlock mortice(right)

by **Mini-Blue** » 7 Dec 2003 21:40

They are called mortice locks because they are designed to fit into a mortice (rectangular recess) cut into the door.

Which of course, does nothing if not describe the actual lockworks.

'O'

(Are we gonna play Tic-Tac-Toe now?)

by **Chucklz** » 8 Dec 2003 0:06

As a handy hint, mortice locks are very resistant to forced entry. When properly installed into a suitable door, they offer very good strength against kicking the door in, which is a common tactic in the US. They are a pain to install without experience. Ruining oak doors kinda becomes really expensive really quickly.

by **Varjeal** » 8 Dec 2003 10:51

True enough...when describing a lock for "lockpicking" purposes, it should be commonplace to denote the type of lock by the cylinder, and not the mechanism that it uses.

Thus, if someone were to ask about "mortise" locks, we would all then understand the poster to be inquiring on mortise cylinder locks which could refer to hundreds of different types. However, lever locks describe a specifc type of key system. Hmm...maybe time for an FAQ on terminology, hmm? :roll:

by **macaba** » 8 Dec 2003 12:31

Indeed..........Ummm......What is a ....Pin?...... :wink:

by **Chubby** » 8 Dec 2003 12:31

A FAQ on terminology is a good idea aslong as it is based on technical terms used in the particular field of locksmithing and not americanisms or colloquialisms, with an entry in laymans terms so we mere mortals can understand...
And I think you would be struggling to find a locksmith in the Eastern hemisphere that could relate to all mortice locks being mortice cylinder locks...catch 22 as cylinder describes a specific type of key system too!
I mention this because the initial posts were requesting information on "mortice locks" (lever) & vivi is still non the wiser about mortice picks (or is that cylinder mortice picks????).

by **vivi** » 12 Dec 2003 9:40

mmmkay.... i think weve drifted slightly.
i still dont know where to find any mortice(lever) picks and considering i live in the uk and the amount of mortice locks around is the same as pin tumblers it would be very helpful if anybody had any knowledge on where to get them or even pictures so i could try to make them.

by **vivi** » 16 Dec 2003 17:08

ive found out alot more about lever locks and i think you should all check out,

http://www.safeventures.com/

by **vivi** » 24 Dec 2003 7:56

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by **vivi** » 24 Dec 2003 8:04

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by **scampdog** » 16 Mar 2006 20:29

get a life you sad person,if you can't use the thread properly,we can do without you!!

HOW DO YOU OPEN MORTICE LOCKS

HOW DO YOU OPEN MORTICE LOCKS

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