Medeco Biaxial vs Schlage Primus vs Scorpion CX-5

[searsman05]

In your opinion what is the hardest lock out of the Medeco Biaxial the Schlage Primus and the Scorpion CX-5 series to pick or bypass ? If you have had a shot at getting these locks picked which one gave you the hardest or most frustrating time?



-James

[digital_blue]

They are all totally unpickable and anybody who tells you otherwise lies!

j/k...

But I couldn't pick any of them. Never tried the Scorpion, but my guess would be that would be the one you've got the best chance with.

db

[Omikron]

All three of those locks have some form of sidebar. The medeco uses rotating pins and mushroom top pins, so I would have to say that it would be the hardest out of the locks you've listed, then the Primus, then the Scorpion.

Of course, I've never successfully picked ANY of these, but based on the design, I don't think my estimates are too far fetched.

[searsman05]

Have you had a shot at one of the new medeco3 locks. I am not sure if i have been lied to but i read or heard some where that if you can pick one you could win some money. But if someone on here has picked one of those i would doubt that there is a reward out there for it.

Now this quote is for scanlock but i heard that scanlock was just a rip off of the scorpion locks and never went it to real production. Now i hear that scan lock had no security pins where as scorpion does. Now this is from a topic about scanlock and here is what Skold says about it:

"I dont have too much of a problem picking them but when those sidebar pins get stuck.

Plus all of my drivers are mushroom

Easier than bilock but harder than medeco"

now by his post he said that his lock had all mushroom drivers. I am guessing he must have put the mushrooms in there(if your reading this let us know). Now what i dont know is if by medeco he means the original ones or something like biaxial.

One other queston while on this subject is i noticed in the pictures from the scanlock topic the false gates on the sidebar pins. Does the Scorpion locks also have these false gates?


-James

[n2oah]

Medecos usually don't have mushroom pins in them. I think you are all under estimating the CX-5. The counter millings and spooled top pins on the CX-5 make it nearly impossible just to set the darn regular pins, much less the sidebar pins! In my mind, they are all a tie.

[n2oah]

Another factor is the rotating pins on the Schlage Primus. If you have ever watched Zeke's video of the primus breakdown (availabe on his site, under the advanced section), you will understand the concept. I will take some pictures of the rotating pins on my Everest Primus cutaway in a few minutes.

[quickpicks]

Medecos usually don't have mushroom pins in them.

Oh yes they do and they come in different sizes.

[zeke79]

Have you had a shot at one of the new medeco3 locks. I am not sure if i have been lied to but i read or heard some where that if you can pick one you could win some money. But if someone on here has picked one of those i would doubt that there is a reward out there for it.

Now this quote is for scanlock but i heard that scanlock was just a rip off of the scorpion locks and never went it to real production. Now i hear that scan lock had no security pins where as scorpion does. Now this is from a topic about scanlock and here is what Skold says about it:

"I dont have too much of a problem picking them but when those sidebar pins get stuck.

Plus all of my drivers are mushroom

Easier than bilock but harder than medeco"

now by his post he said that his lock had all mushroom drivers. I am guessing he must have put the mushrooms in there(if your reading this let us know). Now what i dont know is if by medeco he means the original ones or something like biaxial.

One other queston while on this subject is i noticed in the pictures from the scanlock topic the false gates on the sidebar pins. Does the Scorpion locks also have these false gates?


-James

The scanlock may have spool or mushroom pins, but it is in the design of the scorpion top security pins and how they interlock into the countermillings in the plug that make it hard to deal with. I have pictures of the counter milling in an assa plug and will post them if I can find them. This is the same system that scorpion is using.

[n2oah]

I stand corrected, but there are only 3 mushroom pins. It also looks like your lock only has 1 false slot for the sidebar.
I think your best bet would be to ask Zeke which locks are harder to pick. As far as my knowledge goes, he is the only person here that has picked the Primus and a Medeco Biaxial.
Here are the Primus key rotations if you would like to see them.

[n2oah]

Nick, no need to search for the pictures of the countermillings. I remember that you sent them to me on MSN one time.
Here they are:

[zeke79]

Thanks Noah.

As far as which is harder to straight out pick goes, I would have to say that the Primus is very difficult for me to pick as the sidebar pins offer almost no feedback whatsoever. The medeco on the other hand I cannot pick all of the time either. I have been handed 5 blind cylinders by a lockie friend and only managed to open 2 of them after a fairly long duration of picking. In my eyes, neither of these locks are practical to pick in the field. The primus can be picked more easily if you know the method and have the means to obtain what is needed to do it. I really don't want to elaborate on the methods any further than that on the open forums.

[n2oah]

Zeke, do the normal Primus locks have the downward ward like that on the Everest and Everest Primus(I'm talking about the C123 keyway). I can't see anyone fitting a pick into and Everest Primus to lift the sidebar pins.

[zeke79]

No, the standard primus does not have the undercut on the sidebar. This is a nice feature added to the Everest Primus series over the Primus. It adds some nice security features that make the lock more secure. It makes unauthorized production of blanks very hard for anyone and also stops key moulding attempts.

[Shrub]

They are called counterbores instead of counter millings if anyones interested.

[n2oah]

They are called counterbores instead of counter millings if anyones interested.

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