Schlage C Question

[WizzBang]

Hey all, I like this forum, recently took up this hobby of lock picking and im doing very well so far with it, have only had my set about 5 days, and already can pick almost any masterlock I have, and many locks at work. (i'm a maintanence worker). at out resort, we have TONS of this type of schlage "C" keyway commercial lockset, and I just cannot seem to even begin to get this bugger, I try differant tensions, I have tried both clockwise and counter-clockwise tensions, it's just getting the best of me for days now, I realize it takes time lol, but 72 hours and not even feeling that lil pop as the tension wrench makes some progress is tough to handle.. im sure for bandwidth reasons you can't upload huge images here, so im going to link to my own page just the image I have of this lock, and any and all advise would be appreciated. id also like to mention I am familiar with differant "boards" and have tried using the search button here, but you can search for topics only, and schlage, *schlage* and "schlage" will all give me hundreds of results, most having absolutly nothing with the word schlage, ckeyway etc in it lol, just in case theres something particular to this site's search, don't flame me too hard, because I have been checking about 2 days now here before getting a feel for the site, and the nerve to post. thanks in advance all and here is the link www.erikowns.com/clock.jpg

[keysman]

I am no great picker .. but I am real familiar with schlage locks.
The lock you show in the picture is a grade 1 or 2 ( can't tell from the picture) and is considerably more difficult to pick than the home depot residential grade 3 or ANY master padlock.
You may want to try removing the pins and start with 1 pin and work your way up to 5 or 6 pins. I think 1 of the stickys cover how to do this

[vector40]

Think that's an AL? Or an S... pretty sure those are both Grade 2.

[WizzBang]

I am no great picker .. but I am real familiar with schlage locks.
The lock you show in the picture is a grade 1 or 2 ( can't tell from the picture) and is considerably more difficult to pick than the home depot residential grade 3 or ANY master padlock.
You may want to try removing the pins and start with 1 pin and work your way up to 5 or 6 pins. I think 1 of the stickys cover how to do this

ah ok, I have been refreshing about every 10 seconds for ages, thank goodness a reply! lol.. didnt want to flood with links the first time but this is a new lock I grabbed from the shop to toy with..it is a Grade 1 your correct. it states here " Commercial lockset, schlage "C" keyway. Grade 1 Chasis. for use on interior or eterior wood or metal doors 13/8 to 13/4 thick. u.l listed, 3 hour fire rated.

I will browse through some of the stickies, but I am still perplexed as to why this just doesnt even seem to begin to budge. I sort of ask myself, and I truly THIS bad, or is this lock just ungodly difficult to pick LOL. the surprising thing is my jobs pretty cheap with things, and I think the maintanence manager before myself must have ordered all these, because my home depot card sure doesn't have a large enough limit on it to afford all this stuff...anyhow thanks for your input, any others greatly appreciated

[WizzBang]

updated two more perhaps more telling images.

www.erikowns.com/clock2.jpg

www.erikowns.com/clock3.jpg

[vector40]

Oops. Third party manufacturer, I guess.

I'd disassemble it and check out the bitting. Then pyramid.

[WizzBang]

what do you mean by check out the biting and pyramid? just not familiar with those terms yet, new to this =\

[mcm757207]

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www.erikowns.com/clock2.jpg
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What in god's name did you do to that half diamond pick?!

[vector40]

Hehe... you should see my SO hook after using it for bypassing Master 175s.

The bitting is the way the pins are configured. See if you've got security pins, see where they're high and low, that sort of thing. Just get an idea of the lock.

Pyramid is the name (actually I don't know why it's called that, or who named it that... doesn't make a lot of sense) of a method of learning that db has written a post about and which I cannot link you to right now because I have to go... but it's a sticky.

[WizzBang]

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www.erikowns.com/clock2.jpg
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What in god's name did you do to that half diamond pick?!

lol it isn't really that bad is it? I have only had it a few days...used it lots on a couple of locks, still seems to work fine tho as is

[WizzBang]

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www.erikowns.com/clock2.jpg
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What in god's name did you do to that half diamond pick?!

www.erikowns.com/picked.jpg

lol thats what happened to it, those are the main two I have worked on/with so far

[wtf|pickproof?]

Usually we tend to use picks to manipulate the pins not to force the lock open.

If you need so muck force to push the pins down, your lock is broken or, more likely, you are useing way too much preassure on your tension wrench. You are aware you should apply aproximately the same amount of preassure as you would need to turn the key, aren't you?

[WizzBang]

Usually we tend to use picks to manipulate the pins not to force the lock open.

If you need so muck force to push the pins down, your lock is broken or, more likely, you are useing way too much preassure on your tension wrench. You are aware you should apply aproximately the same amount of preassure as you would need to turn the key, aren't you?

hehe, yes I understand the picks are for the pins in actuality now that I think about it, (while I have actually gotten rest) a couple of picks took some heavy punishment while I was initially trying to rake, or pick that C keyway sclage door handle, I had only had the picks a period of an afternoon and was going far too heavy, but hey it's my first "beginners set", now I know just how NOT to use it hehe.
during times of frustration, I had began to consider whether or not the master lock had been picked too many times or incorrectly, as it seems sometimes I canmake no progress with it, but yet the actul key opens it just fine, so I suspect its operator malfunction I have learned quite a bit so far in regards to the tension, and right Ihave guessed from the start not to over-do what is required with the key, with the wrenches. generally I tension that master there about 75% of the distance that it's able to be turned with the wrench, and slowely pick at it, and as pins set, that natural tension will give way and I can slowely feel it turning more on its own, without further tension required. I have the flu and this sclage is seeming to never want to open lol, it's irritating. on a positve note im happy to learn this is a difficult lock to begin with, and that it isn't just a gross lack of skill on my part. as that master lock was quite the difficult beginner pad lock, now I can open seemingly any padlock rather quickly, so perhaps if I can get his schlage, any class 2 or 3 lockset will also seem easier? just wishful thinking, at least.

[WizzBang]

BUMP for ideas/thoughts/etc

[WizzBang]

Hehe... you should see my SO hook after using it for bypassing Master 175s.

The bitting is the way the pins are configured. See if you've got security pins, see where they're high and low, that sort of thing. Just get an idea of the lock.

Pyramid is the name (actually I don't know why it's called that, or who named it that... doesn't make a lot of sense) of a method of learning that db has written a post about and which I cannot link you to right now because I have to go... but it's a sticky.

I have been looking for said sticky for the last couple of days, I was unable to find it. I have found some great posts though and sticky's, I have to say this is a great forum, and the admin db does a good job helping folks out and operating this, well done. if anyone knows about the location of this pryamiding stick, please feel free to PM me the link, or reply with it. or any other thoughts on this difficult lock