Need to change a cylinder without opening the door.

[miracle]

Hello:



Hi I need help and without getting to personal let me just say it is an unusual and horrible situation. I have a broken arm and I need help to able to change the inside cylinder without opening up the door. I am doing this at about 4 in the morning while my husband is sleeping.

The last time I tried I found out there is an alarm system that alerts him via his pod thing and now I have a broken arm for it. I was able to open the door by loosening item 10 and inserting a thin screw driver somewhere into item 1. However in my nervousness the screws came out to far and items 4,6 and 3 fell and rolled down the stairs and driveway. At 4 in the morning the noise was like shock and awe.

Because I have to leave the lock back in place so when people wake up in the morning they do not know for a while that I am gone, it was important that I put it back together. No matter how I tried I could not get the screws to align into one of the holes in item 1 that would secure again items 4,6 and 3. There is a home depot that is open 24 hours a day and I have a friend that is going to help me with something as an added protection.

That is the background. This is the question. (2 actually)

What can I use to keep the outside part of the lock fixed and item 1 fixed so that they do not move all over the place. to change the cylinder, item 7? This way the key to the inside is different to the outside preferably without opening the door. Is there some kind of glue or any thing I can do. I have to do this in 5 or ten minutes. If the door opens the alarm go off and I will get a call which is okay but if I do not close it quickly they will drive by and my husband will know that I was fixing the lock.

Second question. Once I take the cylinder out and put the new one in and close it all up, how long does it take to make a key for the cylinder I took off?

The plan is too leave with my new cylinder and lock the door from the outside with the old one. This way I do not have to remove the outside since there is no way I can align those holes if I were to put both in place. Plus I do not want to lock him out, I want to lock him IN.

just one note. try to not judge me. I am abused in ways you cannot imagine and my husband is a very influential part of the judicial system. I have called police and NO ONE , I mean no one will help me because of they watch out for each other.Slavery is alive and well in the United States. Acting like a dumb blonde I am using the computer that the maid uses for the kitchen inventory and purchase on line. If he knew I would be punished.

when I tried to put the lock together and could not I just screwed it back to it would look okay. But the next day my husband's key did not work and I acted stupid and said " no wonder the alarm company called someone must have tried to screw with the locks". However, the locksmith that came told me that it was an installation issue. I begged him to not to say anything to my husband and he had seen my broken arm and just nodded. He told my husband someone tried to a drill on the door lock and had damaged the inside.


He is my hero. Still I have to be able to put this thing back together and those screws with everything moving around and the fact that I cannot turn on all the lights is makes it impossible.

Please help and sorry about the typos.

Miracle

Going to try again on the 15th.

god bless.

[miracle]

one more thing....sorry and i know this is about lock picking but surely you can help a girl change a lock. It cannot be too off topic I hope.

God bless.

[Shrub]

This is a strange story and one i am appaled by.

I think the better thing you can do is forget changing locks (by the way do you not have a back door he could get out of?) get a key that doesnt work the lock but does fit it, snap it off half way by cutting it.

You flee your house and when you remove your key you then insert the broken bit and push it in as far as it will go with your working key, shut the door and hey presto your husband will not be able to insert his key or get the piece out to insert his key.

If you are able to quickly open the door and shut it again then why dont you just do that and go then? or do you not have a working key at all?

[Shrub]

If you are having such problems get the police from out of state to look into it, suley he doesnt control them as well.

[Shrub]

If you have to do it the way you want to do it then get your accumplice to hold the other side of the lock at a set time with his hand, you should be able to sawp the cylinders over like you tryed last time, undo the screws fully and then swap the cylinder, the other side should be in the same place to redo it.

If you have a broken arm and a fresh one at that, start getting pain from it and ask to go to the hospital, even if he went everywhere with you im sure you could slip away at some point.

[Shrub]

The story saddens me and ive given it the benefit of the doubt.

[illusion]

That's really sad, and if it's true you have my deepest sympathy.

I agree with Shrub's idea of jamming a key bit in the lock.

[eric343]

No need to damage a key. It is then obvious that whomever jammed the lock had access to a key.

Use a toothpick. Insert it into the lock and break it off. It's an old burglar's trick. A bit of glue will keep it in the lock.

Alternately, break the tailpiece off the lock cylinder. It's the metal bit marked 6 in the drawing. This is the part that actually withdraws the bolt. You might be able to take some pliers or cutters to the part.

This way, the lock will appear to operate normally, but it won't do anything. The lock will turn but the bolt won't retract.

[pizarro]

If the door opens the alarm go off and I will get a call which is okay but if I do not close it quickly they will drive by and my husband will know that I was fixing the lock.

For them to be able to do a drive by, that means that you are not in a flat (can't do a driveby 3 stories up, although people keep trying to sell conservatories to my friend who lives on the 3rd floor sales people.)

As you are not in a flat, to lock someone in you will have to change all the locks, inclusing the back doors to the garden, and if the person is determined (and they will be if they realised they are locked in) the windows as well, because he could climb out the window.

If you are inside the property, the easiest way would be to type in the code to disable the alarm (if you know it), then you could open the door without the security alarm going off. If you don't know the code, how are you supposed to get out of the house without the security alarm going off?

Second question. Once I take the cylinder out and put the new one in and close it all up, how long does it take to make a key for the cylinder I took off?

The plan is too leave with my new cylinder and lock the door from the outside with the old one. This way I do not have to remove the outside since there is no way I can align those holes if I were to put both in place. Plus I do not want to lock him out, I want to lock him IN.

If you are planing to replace only the inside lock, and lock him in with the old key from the outside, then you have already got the key to the cylinder you have removed. So why do you need to know how long it will taker to get a key cut from a cylinder that you already have the key for? Just use the key to get a copy made!



I don't mean to offend, but your story has lots of inconsistancies and contradictions and leaking like a big hole. What is the ultimate aim you are trying to achieve? Leaving without him stopping you, or making a key to the old lock? If its leaving why can't you leave at the time when you were going to get the key cut?

I don't mean to offend, but if you tell us the purpose, we can probably give advice on a quicker way instead of switching locks.

[Shrub]

Well my view of the story is that she is getting beaten by her old man and plans to creep downstairs at 4am and go out through the door and shut it behind her, she wants the door to lock behind her and not allow her old man to come running downstairs and beat the living crap out of her for running away, she only needs the door locked long enough to get off the driveway and either into a car or run away with her friend.

Snapping bits of the lock means she is stripping it down and then has to get it back together before her old man wakes up then she will open the door which will set the alarm off and then shut it behind her, the old man will run down stairs and find the lock not opening with his key.

Now if she has a working key the obvious and safer way to do this would be to jam the inside lock up and then disapear in to the night without spending 10-15 mins on the lock first.

A tooth pick is a good idea if it works as well as you say and i dont see why not other than you must make sure he cant pull it out with his finger nails in seconds thus still catching you.

If you dont have a working key you yourself could climb through a window after leaving a load of tacks on the floor in that room and also blocking the inside lock up on the other doors first.

On a story such as this we must give the OP the benefit of the doubt, the only other reason for this question and a made up story would be a kid running away from home but i would rather see one less battered wife than a kid running away for the weekend.

I tend to beleive the OP.

[miracle]

First off thanks everyone for the responses. I did not expect anyone to give a and I am overwhelmed. Thank you.
I really do not expect anyone to understand because time and time again I am told I am the one to blame and I could call the police (been there, done that) or just leave. Well I can't and I am a slave in this inferno. Nothing more and nothing less. It exists you know. Women and children in impossible situations courtesy of rich, powerful people that feel entitled to ownership and demand nothing more then blind obedience. I am punished when I am caught and the police have tracked me down via the license plate twice. They accuse me of stealing my own car (which I cannot use anyways, but its better to put in my name) and once , I , AS IN ME, was accused of battery on him. both times they took me to jail and he was notified. In other words they took me back to him under those pretenses.

For them to be able to do a drive by, that means that you are not in a flat (can't do a drive by 3 stories up, although people keep trying to sell conservatories to my friend who lives on the 3rd floor sales people.)


I live in a very nice home, I am the wife of judge. they actually call the house. It is standard alarm stuff. I told them everything was okay and had disabled the ringer. I have no code and I have no key. but there is also some way they send a message to his computer. If he is sleeping though then he does not get it. ( I put it in the kitchen or just away from him)

I am not allowed out the house and the phones have something that is in this god forsaken place that records every conversation. He played back the recording for me when this all started and I was telling a friend that I wanted a divorce. the whole freaking conversation. it could not be a wire tap and I have checked every single receiver. there are no spaces between conversations. so whatever it is get turned when the phone rings or when you call out. I did not know there was a profession like that because someone is either editing out the time no one is on the phone or turning a recorder device from somewhere when someone gets on the phone. Okay now I am rambling. It is just that the locks are not even half the problem. I have all kinds of mountains to climb seemingly like every minute and every second.

As you are not in a flat, to lock someone in you will have to change all the locks, including the back doors to the garden, and if the person is determined (and they will be if they realized they are locked in) the windows as well, because he could climb out the window.

He won't climb out of a window. It would be something a commoner would do. No way. The windows are not just windows. they have bars. Not like prison, but ornamental Spanish stuff and of course the alarms.



If you are inside the property, the easiest way would be to type in the code to disable the alarm (if you know it), then you could open the door without the security alarm going off. If you don't know the code, how are you supposed to get out of the house without the security alarm going off?

there are 4 doors you could actually leave from. all use the same key. ALL OF THEM. HOWEVER, by his design the pool, the
laundry and some other rooms are off to one side of the house and there is a door there. So none of the others make a difference. Then there is the front door. I join him for breakfast at 10 in the morning. the maid comes in at 9. She has a key and was his mother's companion or "girl" or whatever they are called. they are a pretty racist bunch. I mean I am white but I am do not look at Hispanics or blacks and think they are inferior. It is complicated.

at 4 in the morning I can get the call and he won't anything until the morning. He is very methodical which is a good thing. He is the kind of person that wants the newspaper a certain way on the table to the right of this glass and folded in 3.

Second question. Once I take the cylinder out and put the new one in and close it all up, how long does it take to make a key for the cylinder I took off?

The plan is too leave with my new cylinder and lock the door from the outside with the old one. This way I do not have to remove the outside since there is no way I can align those holes if I were to put both in place. Plus I do not want to lock him out, I want to lock him IN.

If you are planing to replace only the inside lock, and lock him in with the old key from the outside, then you have already got the key to the cylinder you have removed. So why do you need to know how long it will taker to get a key cut from a cylinder that you already have the key for? Just use the key to get a copy made!

I don't mean to offend, but your story has lots of inconsistancies and contradictions and leaking like a big hole. What is the ultimate aim you are trying to achieve? Leaving without him stopping you, or making a key to the old lock? If its leaving why can't you leave at the time when you were going to get the key cut?

I don't mean to offend, but if you tell us the purpose, we can probably give advice on a quicker way instead of switching locks.[/quote]

I want hours to be able to travel before he can notify his Getsapo. I can do things in the wee hours of the morning. He does not retire until 1AM. However, he has always had problems actually falling asleep So by 4 in the morning I am pretty much okay. My friend comes and we have been planning this. She is actually a police officer in name at least. She did the paperwork when I was held last time and my concerned loving husband came to get me and straighten everything out. all the while they all knew the truth and I could see in some faces that they could not look me in the eyes. like they were saying sorry, without saying the words.

so I have to disable one indoor lock I guess or switch the cylinder and then open the front door which I can do by unscrewing it but then I cannot lock it. I have to be able to lock it so that the maid can open it in the morning or if by one chance in a zillion he wakes up. you see if I get caught he cannot follow me and punish me. but that is not a good thing even if I do get away because with a phone call he will have half my town helping to find his wife who he is so worried about.

I am a little worried about the left wing door and was planning to just leave it alone because then when the maid comes and she opens up the wing, she will not know that something is amiss. So thinking about it I would rather leave that door alone.

that gives me a full 5 and one half hour to get to the airport and on a plane. I had reservations and my suitcases are not outside cause I cannot get out but they are in HIS OFFICE. the last place anyone can find them cause NO ONE CAN GO IN THERE. I thought that was pretty cool too.

Plus there are no web cams in there. when we came back from a trip one time he put the suitcases in his office cause he needed something out of them. So I took my clothes out and stashed them in his armoire. It is mostly for show. It was as if God said "you go girl" and I did. so every time something different gives me a new idea. I am doing all I can without getting punished. I hate no knowing what that might be. Sorry but I am human and it should be okay to be scared.

have to go. the maid is back. she is trying to teach me to use the computer. LOL

minus the internet ...that is not allowed. So I have deleted some programs and stuff so she thinks I am brain dead. It's the dumb blond thing that works in this house.

[pizarro]

Instead of changing the lock, how about just switching his key to one that does not open the lock. If he falls asleep, he has to put down his key somewhere. That way you would get a key to lock the door as you leave, he can not unlock the door to follow you and you don't have to change any locks.

Just remember to take the spare keys as well.

[pizarro]

Oh, by the way. Locking him in will probably mean that he can still phone his Getsapo.

I really don't mean to offend, but the last thing you want is to get caught running away, so I'm trying to make sure you have thought about what can go wrong, or if there is a simpler way.

[Shrub]

If you jam the lock from the inside by sticking a tooth pick in the keyway (the slot you put the key in) then you just lock it from the outside when you leave, open the door, jam the lock, get out, lock the door from the outside, set fire to house before leaving,

Sorry i didnt mean that last bit.

I think thats your best bet, im supprised youve got an officer of the law helping you but you should be ok.

[Varjeal]

This is by far THE strangest thread I've read since this site started. I don't know what to say other than I'm sorry for your condition, and if it is indeed true, you need to run away, and FAR.