Picked Lock. Doesn't open? images included.

by **WizzBang** » 20 Feb 2006 19:04

Hey all I have been working on this and a generic schalge sc type keyway for some time now. I have half of ithere and am finally ablt to pick it, and the pins correctly set and it turns correctly, but yet the handle doesn't unlock and turn. I am linking to a few images of the situation here if anyone has any insight it would be appreciated

thanks.

http://www.erikowns.com/start.jpg
http://www.erikowns.com/finish.jpg
http://www.erikowns.com/finished2.jpg
http://www.erikowns.com/guts.jpg

by **jordyh** » 20 Feb 2006 19:13

I had a damished pin tumbler that would not fully turn, drove me mad.

is it damaged? dented?

by **jjmerg** » 20 Feb 2006 19:17

you have ir picked to the locked position. schlage knobs and levers need to picked to the open position. thats why its not opening.

either spin it, or pick it the other way.

by **jjmerg** » 20 Feb 2006 19:18

if you flip the tailpiece on the back of the lever chassis, does it unlock?

thats the direction you need to pick it.

by **WizzBang** » 20 Feb 2006 19:19

well this one shown above, TINY chance it was damaged but I doubt it. this image also is a similar type of lock, and I have done it brand new and it didn't open either, although I picked it the right direction

http://www.erikowns.com/clock2.jpg

by **WizzBang** » 20 Feb 2006 19:21

jjmerg wrote:you have ir picked to the locked position. schlage knobs and levers need to picked to the open position. thats why its not opening.

either spin it, or pick it the other way.

well the thing is most of these locks I have a key to, and I verified before coming home to work on it, which way the key must be turned to open it. so this SHOULD be working? strange..two locks picked none open lol..

by **WizzBang** » 20 Feb 2006 19:22

jjmerg wrote:if you flip the tailpiece on the back of the lever chassis, does it unlock?

thats the direction you need to pick it.

will retry that, I did about a week ago and forgot to try or what my result was, will let ya know momentarily. thanks for responses folks

by **Chucklz** » 20 Feb 2006 19:24

After you pick the lock, try turning the plug with a small screwdriver, not a tension tool. A surprizing amount of force is required to throw/retract the bolt.

For some more fun, see if you can get a locksmith to order you a cylidner in another keyway other than C. Switch it up with an E, CE, or FG. You might be surpized how different these all can be to pick.

by **WizzBang** » 20 Feb 2006 19:28

jjmerg wrote:if you flip the tailpiece on the back of the lever chassis, does it unlock?

thats the direction you need to pick it.

yes I just turned that tailpeice with needle-nose pliars and now the lever turns and it's "unlocked" that's odd, that must be the same drection I picked it..?

by **WizzBang** » 20 Feb 2006 19:31

Chucklz wrote:After you pick the lock, try turning the plug with a small screwdriver, not a tension tool. A surprizing amount of force is required to throw/retract the bolt.

For some more fun, see if you can get a locksmith to order you a cylidner in another keyway other than C. Switch it up with an E, CE, or FG. You might be surpized how different these all can be to pick.

ah I see, so basically as SOON as I feel it begin to "go" and I know it will continue to move over, remove the tension tool, and give it a good amount of extra "umph" with a small flat head? will try that for sure, and try to find some other keyways as you suggested. I appreciate the tip, going to try it here as soon as im able to pick it again

by **WizzBang** » 20 Feb 2006 19:40

from that start position, you cannot try to reverse pick it, or tension it clockwise. If you do so, no pin will set at all regardless of tension, raking etc won't let any pop in, just feels completly wrong?

by **vector40** » 20 Feb 2006 21:40

That's right. If you're working with a plug that can't be turned the wrong way at all (which some can't, esp. latchsets), tensioning the wrong way will just feel like a hard stop, rather than the "spongier" feel of the pins binding.

by **WizzBang** » 20 Feb 2006 23:53

man the two i've been practicing on aren't going so well. that commercial schlange knock off I had preveously posted about didn't even come with a key, so im not sure if im going about it all correctly. i'm going to make a home depot run with the company credit card soon lol, going to practice with the pinning method in the sticky(s) just don't have all the tools availible just yet, and complete understanding on how to take the thing apart to learn with correctly. anyhow im keeping at it though

appreciate the thoughts and comments all.

by **zeke79** » 21 Feb 2006 0:05

WizzBang wrote:i'm going to make a home depot run with the company credit card soon lol, going to practice with the pinning method in the sticky(s) just don't have all the tools availible just yet, and complete understanding on how to take the thing apart to learn with correctly. anyhow im keeping at it though appreciate the thoughts and comments all.

What you do with the company credit card is your business, just don't post about using it for your own "personal gains" here. This community does not think of stealing very highly at all. If you are going to buy locks to pick, then do it out of your own pocket please. If I have jumped the gun here and you have a legitimate reason to be able to use the company credit card for this then I apologize in advance.

by **WizzBang** » 21 Feb 2006 11:37

zeke79,

I do appreciate your post, it shows that the community cares and in general is bright. My post could have been better worded, I had been up for hours picking non stop, and was half irritated lol. To better explain my position, i'm the Maintanence manager of a ski resort property, houses aboout 500 units, and *TONS* of doors and locks. Some of my locks are listed as being "master keyed" yet my master works in roughly 1/15th of the locks on site

. What I actually meant in my post is that I do NOT have the key to this commercial lockset, and many just like it. so it's actually incumbent upon me to see to it I purchase about 50 new locks that come keyed and are correctly set-up. I have basically inherited a total mess that the last facility manager created..it's frustrating to no end, how he ever obtained the position is beyond my comprehension. Will I take one apart, or use it to learn with/from? the honest answer would be yes. However aside from personal interest and my new hobby, I truly do for company reasons need to better learn and understand some of our lock systems, I mean I have some of my crew carrying around a set of keys that would choke a dinosaur LOL. Thanks for keeping the community in check

Picked Lock. Doesn't open? images included.

Picked Lock. Doesn't open? images included.

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