mortice templates,

[milsbon]

hi all, i was offered a set of templates and just wondered if they were worth having ?
theres about 30 in the set, and you place the template over the keyhole and it gives you the precise drill location for picking, they were £45 for the set. thanks

[jordyh]

hi all, i was offered a set of templates and just wondered if they were worth having ?
theres about 30 in the set, and you place the template over the keyhole and it gives you the precise drill location for picking, they were £45 for the set. thanks

Hello.

Allow me to share some knowledge with you.

- First of all: This is a lockpicking forum, and we do not discuss destructive entry. (such as drilling)

- Secondly: Drill templates are a waste of time. Being a locksmith is all about knowing how things work and how you can put that knowledge to your advantage. Thus, such knowledge should be in your head, and you might even be able to make your own templates for drilling (though i STRONGLY reccomend you not to drill at all) with minor knowledge of locks. (Locksmiths who do drill for a living, we call "Cowboys" and "Driller killers", as they just don't respect the business.)

- Third: This will be the first time i have ever heard of drill templates, pick templates, ok. But drill templates.... no. Buying those "templates", you would spend a lot of money on something you'll use 2 times, and then you'll be able to remember where to put te drill to kill the lock. (i repeat: KILL THE LOCK. That's a no-no.)



I really recommend you to learn picking instead, as it is much more fun and gives less mess (none).

Long story short:

Don'ts:
- Buying "drill templates"
- Drilling locks

Do's:
- Picking locks


Please don't take this as a flame, see it as a way of saying "that's a bad buy".

Yours, (and i hope, good luck picking,)

Jordy

[milsbon]

who mentioned " the word "destructive", i only asked if they were worth buying, ok im a newbie, and just finished a course, and am currently trying to further my knowledge, i was not sure if the templates were a good buy or a bad buy, im in no way a "driller killer" as you seem to point out, ok, im not in the league yet (unlike yourself) who can look through the door keyhole and be able to identify the lock off the top of my head, personaly i would take my time to make a positive identification before i drill through to get access to the levers prior to picking..................

[illusion]

You mentioned the word detructive.

drilling templates = DRILLING = damaging the door and lock= destructive entry!

You DO NOT use these to 'pick' if you have been told this then it's bullsh*t.

I have made a guide showing the picking of uncurtained locks using wires, which come from a bicycle spokes - total cost = FREE!

You either use those templates to drill the stump or the post, and this screws up the lock...

I repeat = THESE ARE FOR DRILLING THE LOCK!

[jordyh]

You're right, i apologise.
I should not have said it like that.
There are some nasty locks out there in the UK, and for a few it might come in handy to have drill templates, but it just kills my inner child every time i see the word 'drilling'.
It all would depend on what you'd use it for, i guess.
Locksmithing or just general information.

As a Locksmith, you might need it, but you'll learn to weep every time you're forced to drill a lock. I don't know what's worse, locks being too hard to pick or locks being too easy to pick.

Again: my apologies for jumping at you.

Yours,


Jordy

[milsbon]

yes i see what your saying, i should have mentioned i was talking about curtained locks, i was taught that the only access to these was to drill through the door and the plate to get access to the levers for picking, if theres another way without drilling (im not on about drilling for the stump) then i was not shown it, and if you can enlighten me off a way without drilling to get access for picking i would be thankfull

[taylorgdl]

There IS a time and a place for drill templates.

They are normally intended for 3-4mm drill bits, and are used when the lock has failed, is glued etc etc, when picking is impossible. The small hole that is then drilled in the correct place leaves minimal damage to the door, and can allow you to manipulate the leavers, and therefore open the door.

Of course you don't need a template if you can measure and drill accurately, but for those of us that can't, they help out a lot.

I think the templates you are talking about are the full size colour photograph ones, with the drill point marked on. However, they are not complete, new locks have come out since they were made, and some of the locks are incorrectly identified (if it is the same set that I have seen).

If you talk nicely to Shrub on this site, he might be able to sort you something else out, at a slightly cheaper price.

G.

[illusion]

I think you are thinking of the 2mm drill kit...

You can pick them by using curtain picks.

www.chrisbelcher.co.uk

sells a range of curtain picks that will allow you to open any British Standard lock... WITH PRACTICE.

where did you do your training?

[illusion]

http://www.chrisbelcher.com/

sorry about that.

[milsbon]

no probs jordyh...

like i mentioned, i just finished a course and am now getting all these questions pop up in my head, and soooo many gadgets to buy it seems a never ending need for knowledge and help

[milsbon]

i did my course with 1st call over in birmingham, i thought it was excellent, but the downside is, there is just so much to take in in 5 days, and its only after its over that all these questions pop up that seem stupid to you guys but mean life or death to me, lol

[jordyh]

At least you're serious about it, you'd be amazed about how many people come in asking how to open cars and safes and school lockers and "this front door".
It's maddening.

[illusion]

If you were told that drilling was the only way, then you were lied to - it's the honest truth and I wish you had come to this forum before taking this course.

I can not claim to be amazing upon British Standard locks, but I can assure you 100% that they can be opened without damaging ANYTHING!.

Give Chris Belcher a message and ask after his 'picks on a shoestring' he'll know what you mean.. you must bea a locksmith however.

If you need further help by all means ask.

[milsbon]

no probs jordyh

shall we start again mate ...lol i never thought i could get so passionate over a certain blumin lock lol but my need for knowledge in this is everything to me, its only been a week since i finished the course and its nearly cost me my marriage, as its all i now talk about..lol

[jordyh]

...Marriage v.s. Lockpicking...

Oh the pain of relations, there are several threads on women and lockpicking.
I believe you'll fit right in with the rest of the married men here.
In the end, we all don't know our priorities when it comes to that.

Yours,

Jordy