What locks do you find in your country?

by **illusion** » 22 Apr 2006 15:34

Hi!

I have a favour to ask, and would greatly appreciate some help.

I am aware of the locks used in the UK, and the USA, but know less about locks in other countries.

I need the country you are in, the types of locks you commonly find, the manufacturers, and I'd be really happy if you could also include what skill-level they are aimed at.

Either post on this thread or PM me.

Thanks a lot helping guys.

Ben

by mh » 22 Apr 2006 15:48

Hi Ben,
There are a lot of different locks in Germany - what specifically are you aiming at?
Cheers,
mh

by **illusion** » 22 Apr 2006 15:56

Pin tumbler mechanisms, wafer locks, lever locks (if you have them), warded locks... anything really.

No need to post a huge list of them, but some examples would be cool.

by **skold** » 22 Apr 2006 22:31

Abloy:

I'm sure alot of us know the name Abloy, but even less know the mechanism. Difficult locks to try to pick with hand tools, with correct Falle/homemade decoders they can be simple to open.

eg. Abloy classic can be opened in 30 seconds if there are no false gates. Most other Abloy locks are pickable except for the new Abloy SMARTDISC which uses CLIQ, which uses a small set of disks (not unlike Protec) and a microchip.

SmartDisk

Thanks to Han Fey for the picture.

Lockwood:

Standard: These are just standard pin tumblers, good quality.

V7: Similar to a pin tumbler but pins are facing into the keyway at an angle (V) Three pins on one side, four on the other side. Security driver pins. Difficulty varies, but the lock is not one i would like to face on a lockout.

Twin: Similar to the ASSA twin, has a standard set of pins and 3 sidebar pins. If in a master key system, all pin columns that master pins are used in usually have spool pins. Side bar pins have numerous false depths. I have picked these but the lock relies on sequence, you can't pick one pin before the one that needs to be set first.

The Lockwood Twin

BiLock:

We have these everywhere, you pay next to nothing for a lock that is drill resistand and certainly has an aspect of pick resistance. The lock uses between 8 and 12 pins (depending on the lock and its application). In order to set these pins they need to be lifted the the exact height for the sidebars (yes there are two) to set into them. There are 3 types of pin: Standard - these have false depths (under drilled holes) Dual depth master pins - These have 2 holes for master keying and no false depths. Quad depth master pins - The pins have a milled slot that allows all possible key cuts to operate the pin, under cuts and some over cuts can be used.

BiLock NG

BiLock OG
Sorry for the size, but it shows a better picture than a resized one.

Face of lock.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/skold/000_0030.jpg
Side bar slot
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/skold/06cc409e.jpg
Top of cylinder
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v329/skold/000_0126.jpg

Thats one thrilling installment, be ready fro the next!

By the way, i think i accidently posted this before i was finished so if a mod could clean that mess up i would be thankful

by **illusion** » 23 Apr 2006 5:03

Hey!

Thanks a lot for all that Skold, I hadn't really looked into BiLocks, but really should in the future... I've been missing out it seems.

Hmm... so 1 false cut for the sidebar on each common pin? sounds reasonable for sure. The masterkeyed version sounds worrying though.

I wonder if the sidebar of the Lockwood Twin is region specific?

So yeah, thanks a lot for that, it's great.

Anybody else got some locks from their country they'd be willing to invest 5 minutes explaining?

Cheers.

by **vector40** » 23 Apr 2006 7:20

Let's try and keep this thread clean for posts on the original subject. Start a new BiLock thread if you'd like.

by **skold** » 24 Apr 2006 5:39

What locks do you find in your country?

BiLock happens to be one of them...

Ben, the Twin is region/locksmith specific.

by **Mutzy** » 25 Apr 2006 2:48

hey skold, i saw a federal padlock that looked like your abloy one - any similarities?

Ordinary residential and commercial locks are varied. Like skold said, the Lockwood locks are pretty good quality.
Briefly, Lockwood sells knobsets, lever knobsets, mortice locks (which usually take inline 6 pin cylinders), deadbolts and a wide variety of padlocks ranging from 10mm to 45mm bodies. They also have many restricted profiles and lock mechanisms (i.e. TWIN)

Also, skold: Lockwood is a part of Assa Abloy, is there much difference between the lockwood and assa twin?

Disclaimer: Lockwood sells all sort of other locks and hardware, these are the main ones that I come in contact with at work.

by **p1ckf1sh** » 25 Apr 2006 6:03

Germany:

Mostly pin tumblers on doors, some people with higher sense of security go for dimple locks, EVVA 3KS or KESO and the like. Here are some manufacturers, in no particular order and far from being complete. There are really a lot of manufacturers in this market here:

ABUS (pin tumblers, dimple locks, padlocks etc.)
BKS (seen mostly pin tumblers)
CES (see above)
FCV (see above, but they also make padlocks)
TOK / Winkhaus
DOM
BAB / ZeissIkon
Elca / EVVA
Burg (or is it BurgWÃ¤chter?) (mostly padlocks)
Wilka
KESO
Pfaffenhain
GTV
...

by **skold** » 25 Apr 2006 8:28

Mutzy wrote:hey skold, i saw a federal padlock that looked like your abloy one - any similarities?

Ordinary residential and commercial locks are varied. Like skold said, the Lockwood locks are pretty good quality.
Briefly, Lockwood sells knobsets, lever knobsets, mortice locks (which usually take inline 6 pin cylinders), deadbolts and a wide variety of padlocks ranging from 10mm to 45mm bodies. They also have many restricted profiles and lock mechanisms (i.e. TWIN)

Also, skold: Lockwood is a part of Assa Abloy, is there much difference between the lockwood and assa twin?

Disclaimer: Lockwood sells all sort of other locks and hardware, these are the main ones that I come in contact with at work.

Yes, there is difference between the two. Both the twins are different, the only simularities lie within their name. Also i think ASSA twin come in CLIQ also.

I can't say i have seen any federal padlocks that look like abloy.

by **keysman** » 25 Apr 2006 9:24

I am only familiar with California and Nevada ( that the western part of the USA)

Most houses have been built in the last 20 years
On residential mostly kwicksets, or some import copy of kwickset, some wieser, westlock. Some schlage "f series

Business/ Commercial Lots of Schlage, I have been seeing more and more Yale , marks and lots of import " junk"

spam Hotels Almost all of the hotels ( back of house) have schlage grade 1 mortice or "D" locks
Schlage
Schalge primus
Medeco
Assa
Bilock

Room locks are usually Electronic '"card type" Saflock is popular but Sargent, Ving and several others are gaining popularity.

Slot machines / gamming devices/ money containers
not necessarly in any order

Assa Desmo
Medeco bi ax
Medeco Dura cam ( flat key)
Abloy ( Half Moon with a groove)
Bilock
Ace
Octogon Ace ( not sure what it is called)
Miwa
Van

by **Mr. Lock Pick** » 29 Apr 2006 15:02

i live in quebec canada and you find alot of master, weiser and schlage, and abloy..

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