What does this key belong to ??

[UWSDWF]

What am I?
I'd like to know as much as possible

[What]

some sort of dimple lock.

[n2oah]

That's an awesome key, where'd you get it? It's from an Abus EC 10, Cisa RS3, or a Bricard Chifral

[Shrub]

some sort of dimple lock.

You crack me up, when i saw the tilte i thought about replying 'A lock' but you basically beat me to it lol

Interesting tip on that key.

[greyman]

It is a Bricard Chifral, also marketed in Europe by CISA. I haven't seen one with a fancy bow like the one in your photo though.

[UWSDWF]

That's an awesome key, where'd you get it? It's from an Abus EC 10, Cisa RS3, or a Bricard Chifral

I buddy of mine works security in a mansion being built and all the bedroom doors have locks to theses keys.

Interesting tip on that key.

the brass tab flips out



Does anybody have a breakdown for this lock... If it's advanced just say so...
I'm just curious how that tip interacts with the lock

[illusion]

The tip looks like the 'Alpha Spring' of the new Mul-T-Lock MT5.

I really like the handle - kinda classical fascade hiding good security.

[UWSDWF]

nah i'm pretty sure it's a Bricard Chifral looking at pictures online

[illusion]

nah i'm pretty sure it's a Bricard Chifral looking at pictures online

I am SURE it's not an MT5 - I was saying the spring at the end looks similar to the alpha spring of the MT5... For a start the MT5 uses sliders as well as dimple cuts.

[unlisted]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong... I think that is a dimple key, the TEMP type... When the "normal" key is used, the "temp" (yours) becomes inactive if ever used again in the lock. I think theres a pin, that the normal key pushes (alters) when first used, and the temp key becomes inactive, its a way to make sure that all the construction (temp) key(s) become inactve in case of theft, when the normal key is used for the first time.

My friend had a cylinder dimple (barrel key) type (euro) lock, it had 5 different angles, over 20 "pins" to move, and it also had a "temp" type key, that did not work after he used the "normal" key the first time. That lock was a monster...

[Raccoon]

I'm pretty sure this key opens a vault in a Swiss bank in France where the secrets of the Holy Grail are hidden.

[Krypos]

that is without a doubt, the COOLEST AND STRANGEST key i have ever seen in my entire life! (/bookmark) i am assuming no one has ever tried to pick one of these types of locks before then eh? some 20 odd pins...


and also, what is the price range on a lock and key like that?

[greyman]

Chifral europrofile cylinders cost about 80 euros in Paris (don't quote me though). The moving bit in the key is for copy protection, it does not do much for pick proofing since there's an extra two pin tumblers to deal with. If you're good with dimple key locks, this one won't add much difficulty.

I think it's actually a bit sad that all the major European manufacturers have gone down the dimple key (Kaba) path. Every factory and their dog is now putting out dimple key locks but many of them are crap in terms of pickability and drill resistance (if any). I guess people like the look of the keys. Certainly no substitute for a good sidebar or lever lock.

[p1ckf1sh]

I think it's actually a bit sad that all the major European manufacturers have gone down the dimple key (Kaba) path. Every factory and their dog is now putting out dimple key locks but many of them are crap in terms of pickability and drill resistance (if any). I guess people like the look of the keys. Certainly no substitute for a good sidebar or lever lock.

I know that Dimple lockpicking is out of bounds here, I just like to ask a question regarding skill - is it really considerable harder to pick those? I mean, once you have the tools and the theoretical knowledge of pin tumblers it takes a person a certain amount of time, learning curve if you will, to open the first lock and then another amount of time to be skilled enough to open the majority of pin tumbler. Is that learning curve much longer when it comes down to dimple locks?

[Shrub]

Well dimple locks have more pins normally and they are also normally smaller with spools quite often on each pin then theres the fact that tools are somtimes harder to get under the pins due to the height needed for some pins and not for the others so maybe a couple of tools will be needed, some locks have overlapping pins and some pin in pin, ad to that some keyways on some of them.

They arent the be all and end all and some are easier than some normal pin tumplers but some are plain evil for a long time until you crack them,

It is a learning curve and one that can be climbed quite well if your methodical and patient,

Nothings impossable and with skill things become easier.