Is a Keyless LASER Padlock high security?

by **Truck** » 12 Jan 2004 22:05

I saw an interesting Padlock on ebay. Um... I wonder whether this product is high security or not? (Unpickable and cannot manipulate like other combo locks.) I want to install a high security Padlock on the fence.

Here is the link that show the picture only. http://i3.ebayimg.com/01/i/01/28/5d/c5_1.JPG

by **Pheniox** » 12 Jan 2004 23:31

http://www.hearthsong.com/hearthsong/pr ... 05&pgc=155

better pic and more info on the lock

Possible ways to bypass:

*really tech heavy way*monitor the frequency emitted when someone pushes the button, would have to have a reciver within 7+- feet of the remote, record for 2 seconds before the button is pushed to 2 seconds after. Then take the freqencies recieved, and either seperate them into indivudal bands, or just re-emit them all. This would be a challenge to do though. Not going to explain more, I could get in trouble for this one. It's neat how its done though.

padlock shims would work well though i still expect

by **Grudge** » 12 Jan 2004 23:38

Although this lock may not be pickable in the normal sense, I wouldn't call it high security. It looks as though a good blow of a hammer or some bolt cutters would make quick work of it. It would also be easy to vandalize, just steal the batteries out of it or destroy the infrared sensor and you won't be able to open it either (see the red plastic area near the shackle, a real weak point).

Also just because it is infrared doesn't mean it it's signal pattern can't be intercepted or duplicated. With the right equipment it would be trivial to steal the infrared signal and replay it back to the lock (of course, who would go to that trouble, see hammer idea above). Finally, you could probably program a palm pilot (or other infrared capable computer) to scan through all the possible codes in a brute force attack (assuming you took the time to study a sample key or two).

I would just run down to Walmart and buy a Brinks shielded shackle padlock for about $12. Tough to cut, hammer and pick.

by **Pheniox** » 12 Jan 2004 23:49

its radio waves, not IR. IR would be SO easy to bypass though.

by **Chucklz** » 13 Jan 2004 0:18

Personally, I want to know were the "laser" comes in, just like in "laser" track keys. heh. I think a walkie talkie could probably open this lock as well. But thats just a thought.

by **Pheniox** » 13 Jan 2004 0:35

get something to roll the broadcast freq. and have it set at the right amp. modulation, and it could.

by **PYRO1234321** » 13 Jan 2004 4:38

these are gimicky junk IMHO, the IR sensor is on top, and batteries are required to keep the sensor active to activate the mechanism, did i mention that they are made by a company called "kidpower" (according to amazon.com and retail for 10$ in their toy section).

all you need is a sony handycam with IR nightshot to copy the IR "key", and nightshot dosn't even have to be on (normal rec mode). i use it all the time to see the different signals that remote controls make. 'Grudge' was right when mentioning a palm pilot, but the easiest method would be a teachable universal remote (10-20$?).

if all else fails, i'm sure a reinforced handel from a basic S.O. pick kit could pry it open.

Thats my 2 cents......

by **marso** » 13 Jan 2004 5:59

I am reluctant to show my ignorance, well actually i do it all the time.

IR is a delivery method of the "electromagnetic" lock. Depending on the signal (random, standard, challenge response) it may open by flashing random signals at the lock.

You could capture IR easy but how can you hide the reciever and probably the computer to save these signals without the owner knowing.

Perhaps you may be able to buy another one of these and it might work but i hope they use different patterns.

Probably this is a cheap lock and it is just a standard (1011001010110) kinda pattern sent to the lock to open it. Trying random patterns might work. But I would not assume because it is using IR it will be easy to defeat.

Mind you the mechanics may be another way to defeat by shims, picking if it has a lock or other bypass techniques.

Anyone know more about this lock?

by **marso** » 13 Jan 2004 6:12

Dont think buying another one will work

There are 8,192 unique codes, so the possibility of overlapping combinations is minimized.

http://www.electronicpadlocks.com/locks.htm

by **Chubby** » 13 Jan 2004 6:35

I think my PDA which runs NEVO would crack it, but just out of interest the following are some of the best security padlocks available on the market lol...No1 being the lowest level of security, and No.3 being the crÃ©me de la crÃ©me...with fries... :lol:

by **Varjeal** » 13 Jan 2004 11:55

Master Lock also makes these, never got to see one up close but they don't look that "solid". If you know what I mean.

by **m2mike** » 31 Aug 2005 11:15

The Laserlock has officially been comprimised. Please stop using it now.

http://metawire.org/~m2mike/Llock.zip

by **n2oah** » 31 Aug 2005 11:55

Mike, is that the program that you run on a PDA with infrared capabilites, and it runs all possible codes?

by **SFGOON** » 31 Aug 2005 12:52

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by **Minion** » 31 Aug 2005 16:24

Finally, I got a binrev member to meander on over!

Welcome m2mike, thanks for coming!

Is a Keyless LASER Padlock high security?

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