R U Fluent in French ? Research on c/gen lockpicks?

[pickmonger]

I am trying to get additional information on lockpicks that had their profile generated by computer simulation.

The idea being that it is possible to simulate almost all the possible key patterns thus creating effective profile lock picks. By simulate, I mean that the patterns will not be the exact cuts, but close enought to work. Exact patterns would involve thousands or millions of picks being needed.

3 well known examples of the profile pick family are: the Compu Picks by HPC, Majestic's High Teck Picks, and Initial's Super Picks.



Compu Picks by HPC



Majestic's High Tech Picks



Initial's Super Picks


The pickset known as Super Picks are the one's that I need help getting information on. They were designed and patented by Mr. Jacques Peyronnet of Société Initial Sécurité in Paris, France.

A search of numerous databases failed to turn up the patent #id for this tool however.

I am hoping that a member of this site, who is fluent in french, and also a locksmith, would be willing to write to Mr Peyronnet and get as much information ,about how this pickset was designed, as he is willing to provide.

I am sure that some one a Initial speaks english, but it might be easier, and more considerate, to make the enquiry in their native language.

Ideally Jacques would either be able to give us a copy of the patent or where it could be found.

INITIAL is a distributor of Sargent and Greenleaf locks for safes.

Inquiries about Super Picks may need to be made to Jacques personally.

Mr. Jacques Peyronnet
INITIAL
26, rue Bassano
75116 Paris, France
33-1-47-20--89-31
Fax: 33-1-47-20-84-84
initial.locks@wanadoo.fr

[dmux]

i agree, good post

[Bud Wiser]

I have the HPC's and the Majestics are next on my hit list. Never heard of Initials. They look interesting too.

[greyman]

Go ahead and write the request in English. I can translate it for you as I am fluent in French. I do not think however that you will receive a reply. I also know that the French are very tight lipped about security. There is no harm in trying though.

BTW, what makes you think that these picks are patented? Surely many others have made similar tools and they can't really claim patentable features?

[Bud Wiser]

I doubt they are computer generated. Not that it matters if they work.
Has any one ever heard of them before?

[Mememe]

The only site I have found with a set for sale is this German site: http://www.schluesseldienstbedarf.de/

Key in 2200 in the search field on the bottom right and you should find them. The set seems to comprise of 30 single sided and 16 double sided picks

[UWSDWF]

taking a bit of the work out

[Shrub]

There is also another set around unless its the initial ones ive seen, i will look them up as i think i know where they can be purchased,

They come in like a press out sheet as they come from the laser cutter and are only single sided, cant remember the name but were simular as i say to the initials,

[pickmonger]

Mark Bates at mbausa.com sells them, as does http://zieh-fix.com/Shop/en-us/dept_9.html

In zieh-fix advert copy, they mention that they were patented. As well as how to use them... Even with out the picks its an interesting read.

There were several other places that mentioned that they were patented as well.

Jacques P , has a number of patents on locksmith type tools, so I tend to believe that these to were patented.

One of the pro locksmith magazines also did a story about this style of picks a number of years ago.

[Shrub]

Yes, Wendt sell them, they come as the double sided ones and also include single sided ones, called super picks, they are the ones i nearly bought at a show once and never did,


http://www.zieh-fix.com/Shop/en-us/dept_9.html#item_909

[Shrub]

You posted as my pc had a blip and didnt preview very quickly,

[UWSDWF]

Hold your pick with fingers as light as if you were writing a love letter with a real feather pen, not an insult letter with a ball point.

gotta love that

[d_goldsmith]

Maybe I need to wait until I have access to the advanced forums, but I want more info on these compu picks. It doesn't make any sence to me. Are they just fancy rakes?

[UWSDWF]

nope just click one of the links made up there and read the description it explains it perfectly

[dmux]

wow, that http://zieh-fix.com/Shop/index.html?lang=en-us

store has a ton of quality products, but omg they want to break your bank.

ex. for a set of falles', Euro 431,97.

they carry some nice stuff but charge wayyyyyyyyyy too much, i wonder where barry gets his tools, he probably gets them for free since he is sooo good