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Best I/C???? Pinning????

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Best I/C???? Pinning????

Postby mojomojo » 3 Dec 2006 20:07

Hey I a lockie and want to working on best- best types locks and wanted to gain some knowledge on it. I understand somewhat on how the pins are stacked up but I want to know what tools are essential in servicing these locks and how to pin them. I have dealt with schalge I/c but those are done like regular locks.
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Postby keysman » 4 Dec 2006 7:33

send me a PM with your e-mail address . I have a PFD ( 495 K) with a lot of information
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Postby grit1 » 4 Dec 2006 12:48

You'll want a service rig from either A1 or LAB. LAB has an ICore "Annex" product that dumps, caps and analyzes cores. A1 has three separate products to do these functions. You'll likely want a key decoder, and the appropriate code cards to cut A2 [the most common ICore system] by code if you have an HPC code machine.
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Re: Best I/C???? Pinning????

Postby WOT » 4 Dec 2006 19:01

mojomojo wrote:Hey I a lockie and want to working on best- best types locks and wanted to gain some knowledge on it. I understand somewhat on how the pins are stacked up but I want to know what tools are essential in servicing these locks and how to pin them. I have dealt with schalge I/c but those are done like regular locks.


SFIC service equipments are expensive. What kind of volume do you plan on dealing with?

http://professional.schlage.com/pdfs/pc ... manual.pdf

If you'll be designing a large master keyed system (usually w/ multiple level) you'll need a pinning software.

Punch or computerized code machine, depending on volume.

Decoding block. This lets you neatly arrange the pins and allow for easy decoding. Nice if you do it often, but if you don't, you could carefully punch out each cap by hand and measure each pins w/ calipers.

Decoding plate. Gives direct reading for key cut depth. If you don't need to do this often, this is not necessary. Use digital calipers and manually calculate.

Assortment of blanks. Stock a good amount of A,D,E,F,G,H,J,K,L,M. There are about 20 other blanks, but those ten are the most common. Also consider stocking the Ilco 1A1FM1, which is a multi-key way master blank designed to fit every keyway from A-G(possibly H as well), but this is not a substitute for stocking A-G since this key is thin and more fragile than individual keyway blanks.

Your biggest investment will be the code machine($600 to a a few thous) and the design system(who knows! )
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Postby mojomojo » 4 Dec 2006 21:02

thanks guys for the info....eager to read that pdf keyman

by the way i have a hpc code punch machine. i really dont come across these that often but when i am asked for it i hate saying no and i also wish to sell a higher end cylinder to my customers.

IS it true that i cant service a core if i didnt install it in the first place since i need that core's control key?
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Best IC

Postby selim » 4 Dec 2006 22:21

I too just started to learn about Best style locks. One of the "best" things you can get fairly cheap is the LAB slide rule type thing. You can choose your own key depth's:change key,master key's,control key,and the slide the cardboard rule to match your numbers,it will tell you what pins to use.
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Postby WOT » 5 Dec 2006 4:10

mojomojo wrote:thanks guys for the info....eager to read that pdf keyman

by the way i have a hpc code punch machine. i really dont come across these that often but when i am asked for it i hate saying no and i also wish to sell a higher end cylinder to my customers.

IS it true that i cant service a core if i didnt install it in the first place since i need that core's control key?


Yes and no. If a significant portion of the system shares a control key, you'll need to partially drill out one core from each sub-system. If there are massive number of different controls, you'll need to drill out massive number of cores.
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Postby keysman » 5 Dec 2006 7:02

I had a few request for the IC PDF.. some e-mail accounts bounced :(


download a copy here : http://www.filefactory.com/file/0c4d44/
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any chance i cna get an email of it?

Postby unjust » 5 Dec 2006 17:25

or another location hosting it? i'm getting corrupted files.
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Postby keysman » 5 Dec 2006 20:22

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Postby 2octops » 5 Dec 2006 23:43

SFIC is easy once you figure out the math part of it.

You will need a pinning kit as the pins are a smaller diameter than most regular cores. You will also need a capping tool and ejection pin. Other than that, you already have a code machine, so you wont really need all of the other bs. The Lab Annex is nice to have if you do enough cores to pay for it, but it is not necessary to have it.

As far as the masterkey software goes, take a masterkeying class instead. Once you understand masterkeying, then you can buy software to make things easy. Don't just learn how to use software, learn to masterkey.

Yes you can still service the customers cores if you did not pin them up originally. Ask if they have a core key or control key so you can remove the cores. Otherwise you can pick the cores to remove them. Peterson makes a nice tension wrench specifically for this purpose.

You can also drill the retaining lug and sacrafice one core to decode so you can cut a control key for the rest of the locks.

William Lynk also has published several very good books on SFIC. You can google his name to find his site where you can purchase the books. They are truely worth their weight in gold (or at least brass).
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Postby Grudge » 6 Dec 2006 11:58

keysman wrote:download a copy here : http://www.filefactory.com/file/0c4d44/

Many thanks for making this available, I was just looking for something like that. :-)
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thanks for new link

Postby unjust » 6 Dec 2006 13:54

works great. looks like will be a good read this eve.
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Postby IC-Johnny » 10 Dec 2006 17:41

Anybody have a used code machine for sale, or know where I could buy a good used machine? I just want to do small jobs, but many people say that they do not recommend the "Pack A Punch" type manual punch system. I think it is made by A-1.

I am also looking for a LAB ANNEX jig. But the site sponsor here doesn't seem to carry that particular LAB item. I'd like to do business with the site sponsor, this is such a fantastic site, it just makes sense to support those who support the site.

I'm open to suggestions or recommendations. Also, if anyone has and idea where I could get small quantities of blanks to aid in determining what keyways I have, that would be good too.

When you look at the charts, so many of them look alike, particularly the J,K,L and M. I have mostly A & G keyways in my existing system.
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Postby mojomojo » 11 Dec 2006 18:54

is there a tutotrial on how to service/pin them step by step??????
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