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Is the technique for cracking Maserlocks in this video B.S.?

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Is the technique for cracking Maserlocks in this video B.S.?

Postby Martini » 15 Dec 2006 11:55

http://www.nogged.com/viewvideo.php?videoID=88

It's hard to believe that such an odd mathematical relationship exists for numbers in the combo, especially when it comes to dividing and the remainders actually being important.
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Postby jordyh » 15 Dec 2006 12:14

Well, i might be wrong, as those buggers are not used on my continent.
But my guess would be no.
I think i've just wasted 6 minutes of my time.
Will take an American to make the final decision though. :wink:
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Postby Keyring » 15 Dec 2006 13:02

This is actually well known. I believe there are at least two different versions for different manufacturing runs.

It's a pity for the sincere sounding guy that he screws up the third page when he writes down remainders of 0,1 - 3,4 instead of 0,1 - 2.3
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Postby jordyh » 15 Dec 2006 13:11

Wait....

So that mathematical approach to combination locks works?
Why, I guess this proves it: it's never too late to learn. :wink:
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Postby Martini » 15 Dec 2006 13:17

Keyring wrote:This is actually well known.

But does it work? I found an old Master Lock in my basement, and using the technique in the video, I can't get past the first step.

Does Master Lock actually use combinations that when the third number is known, it tells something about what another will be using mathematical formulas? I would think that the numbers would be random.
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Postby Keyring » 15 Dec 2006 14:39

It was years ago when I tried it, but I seem to remember that the 'formula' was correct. It has to do with the lock construction. Somewhere on the internet is a set of pictures of the inside of one of these locks, and it probably helps to understand it if you look at them. Maybe someone here can give you a link.

I don't like being so vague but it was a long time ago...

(By the way, while on that site with the video I watched the '2 for 1' coke machine video. What a joke! you can hear him putting the coins into the return coin slot off camera himself!)
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Postby JackNco » 15 Dec 2006 20:48

huh saw this the other day. seems like a long way of doing something a shim can do....
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Postby xxgonzoxx » 15 Dec 2006 21:07

zeke has this algorithm posted on locksportarchives.com in a text file
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Postby melvin2001 » 15 Dec 2006 22:11

http://www.yadtel.net/~melvin2001/Masterlock.exe

theres a program that you can download, just find the last number (check the help menu) and then put it into the program and it tells you every possible combo (about 100 different ones) and then all you have to do is try them.
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Postby kodierer » 16 Dec 2006 6:03

Master combination locks like that are the most worthless locks on the planet.
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Postby 77luke » 16 Dec 2006 8:25

Keyring wrote:
(By the way, while on that site with the video I watched the '2 for 1' coke machine video. What a joke! you can hear him putting the coins into the return coin slot off camera himself!)


I don't know about the guy in the video- but that does work.
If you always do what you have always done- you will always get what you have always gotten!
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Postby Keyring » 16 Dec 2006 11:03

I don't know about the guy in the video- but that does work.

Oh well, you learn something new every day.
I probably spent too many years trying to work out how magic tricks were done.
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Postby scott4957 » 16 Dec 2006 12:36

I had just bought a brand new masterlock combo a few days before i found the orginal video from MAKE, it works prefectly, I have used it to open several of them that I had lost the combo to. Yeah shim's are faster, but they do not give you the combo, and there is the possiblity of jamming the lock by breaking off a shim inside of it as well. I can open the lock in about 2 minutes with this method which considering the fact that you get the combo is hardly slow.

Has anyone found this to work on knock off brands of combo locks?

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Postby Keyring » 16 Dec 2006 13:11

I knew I'd seen some disassembled master combo locks somewhere: http://www.geocities.com/masterunlocked/
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Postby jackbeef » 18 Dec 2006 6:44

Yes this works on locks with serial numbers that are 6 digits long begining with 900 and 800. Some people say the 800's don't work and some say they do. I know for sure it works with at least some of both.
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