what is better :/

by **Avenger** » 17 May 2007 18:52

okay, i will ask for the last time, and i wont post anymore if it continues to be that way
you are too hostile, ease off a bit
i DONT need to open nothing quickly, i just wondered what method is the quickest, therefore the most efficient
you dont need to lock my every post for christs sake

by **RodVT** » 17 May 2007 19:03

Sorry, but it's a messed up question. It's like asking which car gets me to the mall best? They all get you there, but in different ways. If you are curious about lockpicking, start reading, everything will be illuminated, but you have to be patient and invest the same time those who came before you have. This is not a training ground for would be crooks, but a place to learn a new hobby or trade. Hobbies are something that require dedication and investment. Prove you have that, and people will answer your intelligent questions.....

by **JackNco** » 17 May 2007 19:17

a key.

Then after that it really does depend on the lock.
i can pick some locks open quickest
i can bump some locks open quickest
i can bypass some quickest (Restricted to advanced so don't ask)
and with dial combinations various decoding methods are the only way.

It all depends on the lock. and your prior knowledge to how it works.

i have no idea which previous post ur on about but double posting the same question is frowned upon here.

John AKA JackNco

by **Avenger** » 17 May 2007 19:18

thank you, thats all i wanted to know

and btw i do read a lot

by **UWSDWF** » 17 May 2007 19:21

it got locked the first time around for a reason....
there is already another post on this subject
this subject is extremely sketchy for a new user
we are weary for a reason.. all things condering the knowledge we are handling

by **JackNco** » 17 May 2007 19:22

where does reading alot come in to things?

by **zeke79** » 17 May 2007 19:22

It depends I'd say. Single pin picking will get you through more locks when you put alot of practice into it. Raking on the other hand is an art form that takes a special touch that you will only get through alot of practice but raking fails sometimes due to pinning configuration in the lock.

For speed raking will open some locks very quickly and alot of locks very quickly if you are really good at it.

Single pin picking opens locks slower but opens a wider range of locks more consistently regardless of pinning for the most part. Of course locks pinned to MACS (maximum adjacent cut specification) will be harder to single pin pick than a lock with an easier pinning combination, the same holds true to raking also. When dealing with MACS pinned locks raking may be totally ineffective.

I hope that helps some and makes sense as my rambling gets incoherent sometimes.

by **JackNco** » 17 May 2007 19:39

ok so i JUST read ur last posts..... what the hell are you playing at?

Im glad i didnt give you anything helpfull there!

by **Eyes_Only** » 17 May 2007 22:40

Is it just me or has there been like at least two or three other different newly joined members who have asked the same question in the past three weeks or so?

by **JackNco** » 17 May 2007 23:07

look over his last posts

by **Raccoon** » 17 May 2007 23:31

For those who missed it... to recap:

Avenger wrote:what technique do you think is better...i dont care about skill of the lockpicker, time is of essence here. what is quicker is better.

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something like "brute forcing" your lock with a pick...i mean that you put your pick in, and then pull it out hoping that all pins will allign on a shear line in 5,6,10 or 4856235986 pull outs

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personally in my 1 week lockpick career i think that first method is beginner only, and that it kinda sucks, and you do it if you dont know other

Let me explain for those of you new to this site, and those who care to be vigilant against folks like this: This individual is trying to break into something, and practically admits it in so many ways.

LOCKPICKING101 a hobby site-- where people come together to pick locks as if they were building paper kites-- we have no need for people who "don't really care about skill of lockpicking", or where "time is of the essence" or where "brute forcing" is involved, or where the hobby turns into a "1 week career". Note that careers earn money, while hobbies cost money. There is no reason why picking locks should be earning you any money unless you're a licensed and trained locksmith.

So, if any of you who happen to be reading this are getting the same ideas as our friend Avenger, then please so kindly...

Edited for language. I will not tolerate that type of language or speaking to anyone in that manner - zeke79

by **Raccoon** » 17 May 2007 23:32

PS. I used my best English accent when stating the above, so don't worry, the word isn't very explicative.

by **Eyes_Only** » 17 May 2007 23:43

Well put.

by **Avenger** » 18 May 2007 3:54

okaaay, this will go waay off topic, but thats what moderators are for right?

...wrong

...sorry if im giving you extra work.
so here goes...im here to make friends, be friendly, and most of all to learn something. i have been in computer/hacking business for around 5 years and belive me, i know a way to get the information. i am not forcing you to tell me anything, but since our hobby is the same, i would like you to share your knowledge with me. the simplest way for me to make you tell me some things is to login as someone else and try different approach, but im not doing that, i know a couple of ways to make you tell me things so STOP BEING SO HOSTILE! if i itended to do something illegal, i would do it with or without your help, i know how to manipulate with words but im NOT doing that, im just trying to be on a friendly level.
to zeke79: thank you for the answer, you have been most helpful, and have told me in details what i wanted to know.
i will not exploit any of your knowledge in any way, im just considering multiple ways to pick my lock....MY LOCK.
as for racoon, look bud, im not going to offend you in any way, im too proud to do that, and im sorry that you are getting to think of me the way you do just because of my 3 posts.

by **DaveAG** » 18 May 2007 4:24

What many newbies asking questions that cross the line forget, is that these forums are open to the world

Assuming I had legitimately bought a locked vending machine, or a locked car and I needed to get in by any means possible. Even if I can prove that the vending machine is mine, nobody is going to post detailed instructions of how to quickly break into vending machines as whilst I may be above board and honest, the people lurking may not be.

Also, lock-picking has an uphill struggle to be seen as a respectable sport/hobby rather than a crash course in burglary. Saying you just want to get in as quickly as possible doesn't line up with the ethos of picking for hobby purposes.

If you are legitimately interested in the hobby, then I would suggest you look at how others phrase their questions as well. Asking the question

"On my practice yale lock I find that whilst it is possible to rake the lock, single pin picking can often get quicker openings. Has anyone else found this, or is it just a coincidence of the pinning? I was lead to believe from <link to post I searched for> that raking (when it works) is normally faster?"

gets considerably less flaming than the question you posed, but from what I can decipher, I think they are basically the same question.

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