KWIKSET SAFEKEY

[psp219]

Can anhyone please tell me how to pick a kwikset safekey lever handle and what kind of pins it has

[SFGOON]

You said the magic word - safe - which makes me lock the thread.

That being said, picking a lever lock is quite simple but requires practice. Take a peek in the euro forum to see how to handle one.

[digital_blue]

Actually, the topic wouldn't be restricted, so I've unlocked the thread.

This is the lock he has in mind (and... well.. this is HIM )....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io-DrPKw1RQ

db

EDIT: And.. for all the other places he's gone looking for this info:
Here
...and here
..and here too
..and let's not foget here.

[mcm757207]

The new kwikset smartkey locks aren't restricted?

[digital_blue]

Should they be? Other than being easily re-keyable, it's still just a residential lock, isn't it? I don't think these are being marketed as a "high security solution", so therefor I don't think they fall under the same category as, say, Primus or Medeco.

But someone correct me if I'm wrong here.

db

[mcm757207]

Well I guess I just always associated anything with a sidebar mechanism as higher security than the stuff talked about in the open forums, and also it is specifically being marketed as a response to the bump craze, so to some extent it is being sold to more security-savvy consumers. Just my two cents I suppose.

[digital_blue]

Alright. I could be pursuaded either way. I'll bring up the topic in the mod section, bounce it around a bit, and see what we come up with. In the mean time, I'll leave this open as no specific bypass/defeat info has been given and we're not even set on whether or not it should be a restricted topic.

Good points though mcm. We'll review the matter.

db

[Eyes_Only]

If we could have a fully open discussion on this lock maybe we can finally find a non-destructive entry method for this thing.

[dougfarre]

I have been trying to open this lock for the last few days non-stop. Not only does it have the sidebar, it also doesn't have normally shaped pins, and when you apply just a little bit too much tension, everything inside the lock completely "locks up." Its really awesome. But im ganna have say unpick able by conventional standards.

[Eyes_Only]

It is extremely pick proof......but also extremely weak.

[Gordon Airporte]

I've had the best luck using a bogata rake then maybe following up with a hook, but only with kind of lame keyings. Of course, the lame keyings were from various out-of-the-box Kwiksets...

[zeke79]

It is not unpickable. First time took me roughly 20 minutes without looking at the key. Just like other locks, it can be harder depending on bitting.

I see no problem having it in the open forums since even though it is pretty hard to pick, there are a few other ways around it and it is overall a weak product.

[dougfarre]

please elaborate on your techniques. how much tension are you using? Are you raking? are you using advanced techniques (rotating the tumblers inside the lock after they have been picked to the shear line so the sidebar can be retracted)? Or are you just applying normal picking methods? What do you mean when you say twenty mins. Twenty mins of multiple trys, or twenty mins on the same attempt?

[zeke79]

20 minutes same attempt. Standard picking methods used. Nothing special used while picking the lock, just a peterson flat 5 tension wrench in top of keyway and a peterson standard hook.

[dougfarre]

Could you go through the process of picking the lock in the relation to the amount of tension you used..

For example
"I started off with ultralight tension, as I felt some change in the pressure on the pins I added additional tension, but making sure not to add too much to cause the pins to 'lock up,' ultimately I ended with a medium amount of tension and picked each pin individually while applying a considerable force against the pin with the pick."