Need Some Advise

[Jewmasterflex]

Can the key to a lock tell you anything about the way to pick it. perhaps the grooves maybe something to do with the binding pin

[Kaotik]

The only thing the Key Cuts will tell is the biting of the lock and what type of high/low pin configuration you are dealing with in that lock. Not the binding order.

The binding order is determined by the application of picking the lock using the SPP (single-pin picking Method) with a selection of Hook picks. Locks come in many varieties and styles and there are some that we can help with further if you have a question about a specific lock.

[Wrenchman]

Hi Jewmasterflex, Welcome to Lockpicking!

No, no cheating, you'll have to learn Lockpicking properly!

Good Luck!



Wrenchman

[Wolfe]

Yes the key can give you a few helpful hints on the pin config of the lock. Beond that its really a feel thing when your actually in the lock itself.Like what Kao was expresing there are a few picking orders. Some say back to front some say front to back and the most popular is starting with the most binding pin first.

So even know you have the pin config pat you still have to find that binding pin and move to the next binding pin and so on.

So just a recap yes it can help give you a visual of the pins before you stick anything into the lock but as far as picking the lock itself not much help.

[UWSDWF]

viewtopic.php?t=26900&start=0 .... hmmm

[Wrenchman]

The most popular is starting with the most binding pin first.

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I don't know if I should laugh or cry?



Wrenchman

[digital_blue]

Yeesh.

There really are no short cuts for good ol' basic theory, eh?


Ok.. I don't know that I'm saying anything that hasn't already been said in this thread, but.. here goes:

If you physically saw that key, yes, you could gain some valuable information by looking at the bitting (the cuts on the blade of the key that raise the pins). You could, assuming you knew what to look for, get an idea of the combination of the pins, and have an idea of what height you were going to need to set each pin.

However, the *warding* (which is the lines that run along the side of the keyway, and the corresponding grooves in the sides of the key) would tell you very little about picking, and nothing about picking order (the order in which you need to set pins). The only thing the warding might tell you is which tension wrench will be the best fit, and (again, if you have any idea what you're looking for) the relative difficulty of picking this lock.

As for the picking order itself... forget "front to back" and "back to front" for a moment. It's not the case that it's "most popular" to pick a lock in binding order. When it comes to SPP (single pin picking) this is the ONLY way. It is not possible to pick a lock OUT OF binding order.

I'd say that it's time to go read some guides and get a better handle on how and why lock picking actually works, but hopefully this was at least somewhat useful.

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