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[paven]

Hi

Got a question about my safe that i cant open, it runs on battery and i did ask for some help about external battery and so on, but my topic was removed and i cant read it, got this message

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How do i see the answers there is to my question??

Cant i post or what in forum??

regards

paven

[Beyond]

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[muskratt]

the reason you cant access that information is that it is advanced. the admins dont want to give thieves info on how to open safes. they want to make sure that the people accessing that info are not going to do bad things. therefore they only permit trusted members into the advanced section. to gain access you need to have at least 40 good posts and then apply.
DB explains it here:
viewtopic.php?t=10782

[Eyes_Only]

We're not saying you are a thief either, its just a precautionary measure we have to take. Otherwise every new person who joins and ask "how do I pick the locks on my neighbors front door?" who disappears as soon as they join would be out committing crimes.

[LeeNo]

The real assumption here is that criminals would never participate in a forum that helped them better their criminal skills (which I think is completely wack).

Think about it - if you are a criminal that actually uses locksport techniques (rather than just breaking the window instead of picking the lock) then you would be one of the people most likely to actively participate on this forum (along with professional locksmiths - the only other demographic that has a financial interest in these topics).

The stated purpose for limiting access to the advanced forums is to prevent people from using the information contained therein to commit criminal acts.

The metrics they use to determine whether or not they think you are going to use the info for criminal acts are:

• You have been a member here 90 days
• You have 40 positive, contributing posts
• Some percentage of the moderator's combined Feng Shui tells them nothing to preclude you from becoming an advanced member

But locksport-technique criminals have a vested interest in following those metrics!

Just my 2 cents, I don't plan on cracking safes or breaking into a car anytime soon....

[mhole]

Whilst I appreciate the rules about safes being advanced, the original poster could have recieved help without mentioning anything remotely restricted.

Most good quality digital safes will have a means of externally powering the keypad so you can still open them if the battery runs out. In some cases this requires a special fly-lead which is provided with the safe. Most, however, simply have two metal spots somewhere on the keypad, one a little larger than the other. Press a PP3 9volt battery against the terminals, and the keypad should come to life. Then, holding the battery in place, open as usual.

A manufacturor and or model number will help get more specific help.

[JackNco]

Think about it - if you are a criminal that actually uses locksport techniques (rather than just breaking the window instead of picking the lock) then you would be one of the people most likely to actively participate on this forum

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[freakparade3]

Whilst I appreciate the rules about safes being advanced, the original poster could have recieved help without mentioning anything remotely restricted.

A manufacturor and or model number will help get more specific help.

What you posted is restricted. The rules do not discriminate against some safes. ALL discussion of bypassing and manipulating safes is considered advanced. From a bank vault to a brinks fire safe.

[Trip Doctor]

Whilst I appreciate the rules about safes being advanced, the original poster could have recieved help without mentioning anything remotely restricted.

A manufacturor and or model number will help get more specific help.

What you posted is restricted. The rules do not discriminate against some safes. ALL discussion of bypassing and manipulating safes is considered advanced. From a bank vault to a brinks fire safe.

Well, what he posted, about the external battery terminals, wasn't really bypass or manipulation of the safe. In fact, it's information that should come in the manual with the safe. If he doesn't know the combo to the safe, that information won't help him at all to open it. So.. is that really restricted info??

[mhole]

Exactly. At the risk of being rude, the only reason you could conceivably consider that information 'advanced' is because you know absolutely nothing about safes.

Nothing wrong with that, but it does put you in a poor position to define what is and isn't 'advanced' info.

[freakparade3]

I always think "WWSD". He would not have allowed this thread, so I stated my opinion that it was advanced.

[mh]

Unfortunately, the very similar hotel safe I bought some time ago did NOT have any accessible battery terminals, the plastic material would have to be destroyed to reach any metal where an outside battery could potentially be connected, but it's unclear to me if there was a suitable circuit trace for this purpose anyway.

You would need to contact the manufacturer to learn more about such an option.

Cheers,
mh

[raimundo]

cheap fire boxes are not safes and should not be treated like advanced material, any one who considers distructive entry of any form will quickly get into a cheap firebox,

[raimundo]

What I meant was that if it was a firebox, the guy only wanted a tip about powering it up. no big deal. he wasnt even asking about non destructive entry. He just wants to open a box that is not doing its job and cooperating with him. He apparently has the combo so drills,crowbars, cutting torches and angle grinders are not necessary. Not even the rubber hammer trick.

[freakparade3]

Exactly. At the risk of being rude, the only reason you could conceivably consider that information 'advanced' is because you know absolutely nothing about safes.

Nothing wrong with that, but it does put you in a poor position to define what is and isn't 'advanced' info.

By the way, one of our wise mods moved the OP's original post into the advanced area.