reverse picking

[ridderhenck]

I have absolutely no experience with it,I,ve read it,s quite difficult,is it?
what are tips to succeed?

[Wrenchman]

What exactly are you talking about?

Are you talking back to front?

Or are you talking about the pins and the springs facing downwards?

Maybe you are talking about picking with your hands on your back?



Wrenchman

[Proctor]

I think he means when u pick something the wrong way and have to use a plug spinner

[cjames73]

reverse picking is when you push all the pins up with the back of a pick and apply heavy tension. as you gradually release tension the bottom pins will drop and leave the top pins above the shear line (in theory).

i got it to work a few times but it is hard.

[Eyes_Only]

Reverse picking is so hard to actually pull off, especially on pin tumbler locks but that might just be me. Although everytime you are picking a lock and release tension of bring back down an over set pin stack to make it set at the shearline is kind of like reverse picking.

[Trip Doctor]

Personally, I found that completely reverse picking a lock that has more than 3 pins is really hard. I've never really found a situation where completely reverse picking a lock is easier than regular picking.

[poor paperclip picker]

Would reverse picking work if the lock had any security pins? If so, would it be recommended over normal picking because I have a Chateau C970 that I can not pick to save my life, and I was wondering if reverse picking would be better.I think there is 5 or 6 pins, so I guess it would be pretty tough to reverse pick.

[cjames73]

Would reverse picking work if the lock had any security pins? If so, would it be recommended over normal picking because I have a Chateau C970 that I can not pick to save my life, and I was wondering if reverse picking would be better.I think there is 5 or 6 pins, so I guess it would be pretty tough to reverse pick.

give it a try, may work, may not. it will all depend on the tolerances of the particular lock security pins or not.
tighter the tolerances easier to reverse pick i think.
just make sure you have all the pins bound tight and release tension slowly.
if i were you i would just practice SPPing more and get the feel for security pins.

[poor paperclip picker]

if i were you i would just practice SPPing more and get the feel for security pins.

I keep trying to do this, and it is good to know that I am not the only one that is having some problems with this lock
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=25249

well hopefully someday, someone will figure out a solid way to beat that lock

[ridderhenck]

thanks for the info,It,s worth a shot,and Wrenchman,as soon I can do it with my hands on my back I,ll let you know!

[Fredmad]

I have absolutely no experience with it,I,ve read it,s quite difficult,is it?
what are tips to succeed?

Hi
You are talking about the reverse picking method witch is the same than the over lifting method. This method was available on 2 or 4 tracks car locks for example. Since many years manufacturers did some modification so that this method doesn't work any more except on some cars yet.

[Gelmar]

I've heard reverse picking helps when dealing with serrated pins, is this true? If not what is the best method of dealing with these types of pins?

[JK_the_CJer]

What's so cool about reverse picking is that it bypasses any security driver pins. In other words those top pins can be spoorated devil-mushrooms turned by satan himself and it won't matter. However, if the key pins are anything other than smooth (American likes serrated key pins for example), I bet its really really hard. It already is really hard. I've played with it a little and gotten it to work on all pins a few times (on a schlage kik i think it was). However, I seem to sneak it into my normal picking pretty often. Any time I think I've overset a pin and have an idea about which one it is, I position my pick under it to feel it bind as I release tension slowly. I always at least try this if I have a hunch that's the problem before just resetting a bunch/all the pins.

[Gelmar]

How do you pick a lock with serrated pins? It seems like they would completely mess with the way you ahve to put tension on a lock.

[le.nutzman]

The way you pick the lock with serrated pins, is extremely light tension. The example in this scenario would be the American 5200 padlock, of which I've picked over 500 to date.

As we all know the American 5200 uses serrated, spools and spoorated pins. Most commonly, the key pins are serrated at least twice. When encountering serrated pins you get the false set. You're distinguishing factor in this false set that keys you in that it's a serrated pin is that while maintaining constant pressure on the tension wrench, and still trying to lift lightly on the pin, you BACK OFF your tension every so slightly and the pin moves upward WITHOUT providing reverse feedback on the tension wrench (which is normally associated with spool pins).

I have found over the number of 5200s that I have picked that when both serrated and spools are used in the same lock, it's the false set of the serrated pin that is generally the last set before the lock picks freely open. And I have found that overlifting/reverse picking of the american 5200 has about an 8-9% success rate (granted this is generous as I don't try it on ALL 5200s since time is usually a factor).

Things to consider with the American 5200, they use two different pin sizes as well. This can throw the manipulater off because the larger spool pins are NOT serrated and due to the larger size, offer a longer throw distance between false set and true set. However, due to the larger spool, the difference in diameter from the ends fo the spool and the middle portion is a much smaller factor, but enough to let you know you're still dealing with a security pin. For pictures of the two different sizes, go to photobucket.com and browse my album (Helljack6) and you will find a picture of the two different pin sizes used.