Laws regarding "Do Not Duplicate"

by **yoyoceramic** » 8 Jul 2004 20:33

I've been employed as a locksmith now for 3 months (after previously being a lock enthusiast for months prio) and I am curuious where i can find laws regarding the phrase "Do not duplicate".

I know here in las vegas do not duplicate means jack squat. We copy everything from regular kw1 to ic keys regardless of what is stamped on them save restricted keys (mul t lock, medeco, assa etc..)

But...i know in Los Angeles a locksmith can lose his license for duplicated the "do not duplicate" keys.

Where can i find the laws regarding this? I am curious as to how the city/state governemtns write the actual text of the law.

thanks

by **Luke** » 8 Jul 2004 20:50

Mate, there are no laws regarding DND, it is all just faith. DND is just really something to make the customer feel better.

by **mcm757207** » 8 Jul 2004 21:32

There might be certain laws here in the US that luke does not know about, so you should consult a lawyer or something.

by **Luke** » 8 Jul 2004 21:45

That might be true MCM, but generally according to a large thread on TNL, most states if not all dont have a law regarding it. DND is just good faith, on that forum most locksmiths won't copy it because it probably has been stamped DND for a reason. The only real way to prevent unauthorised key cutting is to have a restricted key system.

by **HeadHunterCEO** » 8 Jul 2004 22:06

I won't copy keys stamped dnd unless a building manager or above comes down in person

by **Chucklz** » 8 Jul 2004 23:05

I love neuter bow DND keys. Even though im not a 'smith, every time I see one, I just *have* to figure out what keyway it is. Happily I can do many by sight.

by **Ice** » 9 Jul 2004 3:05

I see DND keys everywhere I go... at work, out with friends, etc. Some are small keys, some are big ones. I used to try and speculate which key was what, but after a while it seemed to have lost it's novelty. I question all keys equally now, except the ol' housekeys.

Car keys are fun to imagine as well.

by **weechee** » 9 Jul 2004 7:17

I am only new here but misinformation is a pretty poor part of any technical forum such as this one. I would suggest doing a little bit of research before making blanket statements and not knowing the facts. I would just like to suggest thinking about how you word statements such as that one to something more like "I have not found any evidence in my 6mths of study" etc.. Politian talk if you may.

I know the below are not definate examples of legality, however it does show it can be against the law in a state to duplicate some keys marked with "do not duplicate". Also if you care about your ALOA membership (is this needed to practice as a locksmith in any state?) then you must not duplicate keys without a good reason.

As far as joe blog copying a key that he found on the street marked with DND, then well I would suggest you contact a lawyer and ask them before you do it.

Nebraska Legislation wrote:(c) Duplicates a master key for anyone unless written permission has been granted by the person who has legal control of the master key. All master keys shall be stamped with the words DO NOT DUPLICATE. All duplications of master keys shall also be stamped with the words DO NOT DUPLICATE.

http://statutes.unicam.state.ne.us/default.asp

7. Do Not Duplicate and keys by code: Orders for keys by code and keys
stamped "Do Not Duplicate" or similar wording will be handled in the same manner as any unrestricted key (see . ALOA members should inform the consumer that the use of keys stamped "Do Not Duplicate", or similar wording, is not effective security, and further that the use of such words is deceptive because it provides a false sense of security. Consumers who desire effective security should purchase a patented key control system rather than rely on a "Do Not Duplicate" marking. This does not apply to keys protected by law.

http://www.aloa.org/pdf/techstd.pdf

by **plot** » 9 Jul 2004 15:48

Yea, i was under the impression that DND meant something before all the controlled key systems, and now means jack.

by **yoyoceramic** » 9 Jul 2004 21:28

Yeah, that's a good point. Since medeco/multilock/assa keyways are gradually becoming more popular (at least in vegas they are), this has sort of diminished the meaning of "Do not duplicate" on the neuter bow sc1 and kw1.

by **raimundo** » 26 Nov 2004 14:21

"Politician talk" thats a good one, but I usually call it "weasel words" that of course is a slander on the nations furry animals, but its well understood by millions of people who have never seen a weasel.

by **randmguy** » 27 Nov 2004 0:27

DND has meant zip since the first Gold/Engraving/Keys Cut While U wait kiosk went up in a mall. When people took their keys to a Mom & Pop hardware store or their local locksmith they could generally count on being shown the door. With home centers and the dreaded mall cutters glomming business it is worthless. I worked for one management company that told residents to take keys to the mall up the road for copies...and they insisted on spending the extra pennies on neuter bow DND keys. :evil:

by **skold** » 28 Nov 2004 15:33

DND can differ in law depending on lock brand.

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