Dutch open (lockpicking competition)

[m4m750]

I haven't been to one but if someone been there or have information please enlighten me :

(1) What kind of locks do they use in the competition?

(2) If time is a factor would raking be faster than spp or vise versa?

(3) Do they lubricate the locks before each round? If not the next guy/gal to pick the same lock may be disadvantaged if the lock is jammed by the previous competitor.

(4) Can't think of anything else to ask yet because i am a newbie.

[Jaakko]

(1) What kind of locks do they use in the competition?

Last year there were Schlage 5-pin locks, Schuyler knows about them more as he supplied them

(2) If time is a factor would raking be faster than spp or vise versa?

Maybe, depends on many factors.

(3) Do they lubricate the locks before each round? If not the next guy/gal to pick the same lock may be disadvantaged if the lock is jammed by the previous competitor.

Nope. They change locks after each round, so you get the lock that your opponent picked last and vice versa

(4) Can't think of anything else to ask yet because i am a newbie.

If you need more info or would want to participate to DUtch Open, you have to contact TOOOL for that and ask from them

[m4m750]

Thanks for the info. The prompt answer surprise me. Really incredible efficiency this forum has.

Those contests are way beyond my ability to participate at this point.

A spectator would be my dream.

[Gordon Airporte]

Someone try to get some SmartKey cylinders in the competition over there. They should be novel to the Europeans, and I'd really like to see what techniques the world's best pickers can come up with for these things.

[JackNco]

there was a smart key there in 2006 apparently and it was picked at least twice. or so im told.

The locks are changed every year, last year they had a load of shlage replicas the year before it was ISEO and some American locks apparently.

and if shoes turns up with more equally uncomfortable locks this year im going to break his thumbs


talk to barry if you wish to attent the competition to watch, but i warn you, the novelty of watching people pick locks in total silence wears off pretty quick.

[Gordon Airporte]

Yeah, I've seen video of previous competition - it's not a spectator sport.
In motor sports on TV they show all the telemetry info for a car, we just need a way to rig cylinders to transmit their internal state the same way... and pick-tip-cams...and more fights.

[m4m750]

Hmm I think I watch some youtube vid for the time being. But those people posting the vids pply picked their locks thousands times before recording the vids.

Top pickers should be able to pick an unfamiliar lock with speed IMHO.

[m4m750]

What I like to see in picking competition is:

(1) Locks are transparent on the inside where competitors cannot see if they can be mounted.

(2) Closeup video cameras showing whats going on inside locks being picked and displayed on wide screen in another room (may be with expert commentators explaining techniques being used).

Who knows, this may make the competition a hit spectator sport too.

[JackNco]

they would have to speak pretty fast, the top guys that compete will open some locks in the first 1 to 3 seconds. and to be honest the "experts" are generally taking part.

Also the locks are not mounted at the open, you can bring a vice if u want though.

[Jaakko]

the novelty of watching people pick locks in total silence wears off pretty quick.

That's why there is coffee and beer

[Gordon Airporte]

the novelty of watching people pick locks in total silence wears off pretty quick.

That's why there is coffee and beer

It's the Dutch open and you can't do better than coffee and beer?

[Jaakko]

It's the Dutch open and you can't do better than coffee and beer?

Well, coffee and beer can be located from the hostel, but if you mean cannabis then you have to find it on your own and yes, people do have it there with them

[prag]

Is there a site where we can view this in action. Also are these guys locksmiths or hobbist.

[Jaakko]

Is there a site where we can view this in action.

Not really, there is some pictures floating around but they are not spread publicly in amounts.

Also are these guys locksmiths or hobbist.

There are plenty of locksmiths at the scene and the rest are hobbyist, but all have the common factor of being locksport enthusiast

[straightpick]

These guys in the Netherlands pick some of the most sophisticated locks around. Locks like EVVA, Dom IX, Geminy, Abloy, etc. If you want to see some really high security locks, go to their website TOOOL.nl. Check out the cut away locks. The Europeans have always had fantastic locks. What we consider high security in the US, they use on their tool sheds in the backyard!