Will a IC deadbolt be less pick resistant than a Non IC mode

[pingable]

I am moving into new office space. Aside from the alarm, we have 2 points of entrances - 1 front and 1 rear. The front is gated by keyswitch/mechanical rolldown gates. The gates is semi open---not solid.

I plan to have 4 deadbolts One for the front bldg entrance, one rear, one in my office and one in the ~equipment room~.
For the interior, I am fine with having a IC deadbolt. We are leaning on the Assa 6000 series deadbolts for the exterior doors as well.
Will a deadbolt with IC vs. non-IC both function the same from a security standpoint ?

[n2oah]

Does the roll-down gate have a thumbturn near the bottom that unlocks the gate?
Yes, IC is a good idea for an office space. It's even better than a deadbolt since it can easily be re-keyed in case of a lost key.

[Squelchtone]

I am moving into new office space. Aside from the alarm, we have 2 points of entrances - 1 front and 1 rear. The front is gated by keyswitch/mechanical rolldown gates. The gates is semi open---not solid.

I plan to have 4 deadbolts One for the front bldg entrance, one rear, one in my office and one in the ~equipment room~.
For the interior, I am fine with having a IC deadbolt. We are leaning on the Assa 6000 series deadbolts for the exterior doors as well.
Will a deadbolt with IC vs. non-IC both function the same from a security standpoint ?

With an ASSA Twin 6000 or V10 models you're good either way, but I think the IC is tougher to pick because of the multiple shearlines. either way, these locks are 15 on the scale of 1 to 10, and I honestly think tougher to pick than Medeco.

Cheers,
Squelchtone

[WOT]

I am moving into new office space. Aside from the alarm, we have 2 points of entrances - 1 front and 1 rear. The front is gated by keyswitch/mechanical rolldown gates. The gates is semi open---not solid.

I plan to have 4 deadbolts One for the front bldg entrance, one rear, one in my office and one in the ~equipment room~.
For the interior, I am fine with having a IC deadbolt. We are leaning on the Assa 6000 series deadbolts for the exterior doors as well.
Will a deadbolt with IC vs. non-IC both function the same from a security standpoint ?

With an ASSA Twin 6000 or V10 models you're good either way, but I think the IC is tougher to pick because of the multiple shearlines. either way, these locks are 15 on the scale of 1 to 10, and I honestly think tougher to pick than Medeco.

Cheers,
Squelchtone

Dual shear-line ICs have its own vulnerability, as it only takes one lock to decode the control key.

[n2oah]

Dual shear-line ICs have its own vulnerability, as it only takes one lock to decode the control key.

In a system this small, it doesn't seem like a huge deal.

[pingable]

What are your thought on -mortise locks-.
For all intents and purposes, I'm thinking of using a mortise lock on my office door.

On the front entrance, the 1st thing would be a mechanical rolldown rate that is switched/keyed. You hold the lockswitch left...it rolls up. Hold it right, it rolls down. On the assa catalog, I see they do offer keyswithes.

However, on entrance door, from a aesthetics perspective, I'm thinking about not using a deadbolt but a mortise lock. Not sure what the difference is ...between the 6000 series and their H2X line.

[Squelchtone]

What are your thought on -mortise locks-.
For all intents and purposes, I'm thinking of using a mortise lock on my office door.

On the front entrance, the 1st thing would be a mechanical rolldown rate that is switched/keyed. You hold the lockswitch left...it rolls up. Hold it right, it rolls down. On the assa catalog, I see they do offer keyswithes.

However, on entrance door, from a aesthetics perspective, I'm thinking about not using a deadbolt but a mortise lock. Not sure what the difference is ...between the 6000 series and their H2X line.

a deadbolt has those round cones likes the deadbolt on your house. a mortise lockset body is recessed inside the door so all that you see is a mortise cylinder face and a door handle, not that big chrome or brass cone protruding from the door. This all depends on how thick the door is too and if it is metal or wood.

Have you thought of just asking their Sales reps? They can probably give you better advice than we can, because this is getting much more detailed, or you're over-planning/over-thinking your project. Wow.. do I sound like a jerk today? yeah.. I need more coffee.

Squelchtone

[pingable]

no offense taken

Maybe I'm just overplanning/overthinking. I just tend to like to do my own homework....so I get a good understanding of pros/cons

[n2oah]

Maybe I'm just overplanning/overthinking.

No, it seems like you've got a great system set up. The rep will know more about the individual locks and fixtures than we will.

[raimundo]

Do you know how to do a security assessment? go around and look for holes in the wall that have airconditioners in them, weak points in the roof, interior walls that only go up as high as the drop ceiling, hiding places where a staybehind could be. and if your business has anything that would particularly attract thieves, you will need a safe that is covered by a web cam. bolted down of course.

[raimundo]

About the safe and web cam, do not place the camera so it will reveal the combination, place it so that when you open the box, your back is naturally covering the view. Your interested in being able to look at that safe from the internet in case you get an alarm, you should not put the combination on a paper that someone could watch you refer to on that camera. Nothing on the internet is private, ever,
Modern practice on many stores is to have the safe visible from the large plate glass windows, so that anyone doing anything to it can be seen, (again, don't let them see the combination) the web cam is the same idea, except you can limit whos accessing it to view it. And when you get an alarm, you can look and see what is happening. a few more infrared night cams in the space also web accessed would be a good idea. You may also want to see the parking area. There is a high probablity that someone coming to take what you have, is someone that you know and who knows what you have. This is the real utility of the cameras.

[pingable]

Thanks for some of the value added comments/info on this thread.

Assa is out of consideration. I called the #'s given to me by the regional rep and either the rep is clueless, but the 2 Assa dealers in my area don't even recore IC lock. I would assume this is relatively ~standard~ for any locksmith ?

The key for me is post support as well, not just having a dealer come in an install locks.

[Engineer]

Good points Raimundo! People tend to put safes where it is convenient, and not where it is secure from observation. I've seen numbers written down so they can still be opened if someone doesn't turn up for their shift and things like that.

I successfully annoyed the last hotel I stayed at, by asking awkward questions about their security while they were putting some of my stuff in their safe. For a small place, they were actually a lot more secure than some of the big places I've stayed at. I didn't mention my interest in locksmithing, it seems to scare people sadly.

About the safe and web cam, do not place the camera so it will reveal the combination, place it so that when you open the box, your back is naturally covering the view. Your interested in being able to look at that safe from the internet in case you get an alarm, you should not put the combination on a paper that someone could watch you refer to on that camera. Nothing on the internet is private, ever,
Modern practice on many stores is to have the safe visible from the large plate glass windows, so that anyone doing anything to it can be seen, (again, don't let them see the combination) the web cam is the same idea, except you can limit whos accessing it to view it. And when you get an alarm, you can look and see what is happening. a few more infrared night cams in the space also web accessed would be a good idea. You may also want to see the parking area. There is a high probablity that someone coming to take what you have, is someone that you know and who knows what you have. This is the real utility of the cameras.

[5thcorps]

Using Steel or Wooden doors? I use Mortises on all outside steel doors. Deadbolt on all inside wooden doors