The lightest possible tension is still too much

[bitq]

I've got a couple locks here that I can't pick. The first is a Kwikset doorknob "ansi grade 2." The second is the Master no. 532. They both have security pins. The Master has 4 if I remember correctly. I don't know how many the Kwikset has. I can pick both of them to the false set, but that's where I have trouble. Normally I deal with false set by slowly releasing tension while lifting a security pin until it sets, repeating for each security pin. That strategy is impossible with these locks though, because even no tension at all isn't enough to release the security pins from the false set. I have to actually turn the keyway the other direction before I can lift them. But turning the keyway the other direction means letting up tension on the non-security pins. Very frustrating. Any tips for this sort of lock? I can pick Schlage C cylinders fairly easily if that makes a difference.

[FarmerFreak]

You may want to post pictures with the keys. It may help clear things up a little bit. Since this doesn't sound like any kwikset or master security pins I am aware of.

That said, here is what I am thinking. I could be way off, this is just a guess. Is the kwikset one of their bump resistant locks. AKA their "Smart Key"?? And I'm also wondering if you are actually picking the master lock open, but you haven't given it that extra nudge to pull the ball bearings in to release the shackle. Kinda (or exactly) like an american padlock.

[mcm757207]

It isn't smartkey because those are listed as grade 1. There are some Kwikset locks that do use security pins, some of the more expensive ones. One thing you can try is actually raising the suspected pin up before applying tension, kind of a "reverse picking" technique. Good luck!

[bitq]

The Kwikset is a "bump guard" "smart key" and all that jazz. It is one of the more expensive models. The basic deadbolt was WAY too easy. Took me like 3 seconds the first try . So moved up to this one. I'll try that reverse picking technique. thanks.

[FarmerFreak]

I don't think you know what you have gotten yourself into with the kwikset smartkey. Before you spend too much time tying to pick it through the keyway. I recommend you spend the time taking it apart and learning all that you can about the lock. And then come up with a way to pick it/attack it. Be careful not to lose any parts though, some parts are rather small.

Just to give you an idea, this lock uses a sidebar locking system. It doesn't have upper pins....so, no spooled pins.

If you can find a way to pick this lock (without smashing a small plastic piece ) I would love to learn.

[thelockpickkid]

It isn't smartkey because those are listed as grade 1. There are some Kwikset locks that do use security pins, some of the more expensive ones. One thing you can try is actually raising the suspected pin up before applying tension, kind of a "reverse picking" technique. Good luck!

They actually don't have to be expensive at all, I have ran into spools in more than one common kickset, however, they are not very deep milled spools and sometimes you don't even notice them.

[bitq]

I just read up on the smartkey locks, and yes they are terrifying. From what I understand, they are very difficult to pick, but can be defeated easily with a few different forceful methods. I assumed since the lock was difficult and the pins kept locking up that there were security pins, but there aren't. I think I'll be setting this one aside for a while. I'll keep at the 532 though. Thanks for the tips. I might post a pic of the 532's key if I keep having trouble with it.