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combination locks: is it possible to change order of wheels?

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combination locks: is it possible to change order of wheels?

Postby lajos » 28 Sep 2004 8:22

I have a S&G 3 wheel combination lock to practice on.

Is it possible to change the order of the wheels? Is there anything I need to know before I attempt to do this? Any tips?

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Postby hzatorsk » 28 Sep 2004 10:43

Is this the 6700 series you referred to in an earlier thread?

If so... you really don't want to tear into the wheel pack, as you can change the combination with a change key. If this is not the 6700 series... post the model # and we might be able to help you with the details.

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Postby CaptHook » 28 Sep 2004 21:14

You dont need to "change the order of the wheels". As mentioned, if you are wanting to change the combination, get a change key and download instructions from the S&G website.
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Postby lajos » 29 Sep 2004 2:07

Ooops. Sorry. Looks like I mislead everyone here.
I don't want to change the combination at all. I do it with the change key of course.

The only reason I want to change the order of the wheel pack is:
I practiced many times manipulation and found only in very rare occasions a sharp dip on my first pass. Almost invariably the first number I obtain from the combination is for the wheel number 3 (ie: the one furthest away from the dial). As you know, it is a rather huge pain in the bottom to get that wheel first since it multiplies the time to get the other numbers by a factor of 10 (well, feels that way anyway).
The other downside is that it is quite hard to obtain an accurate number on wheel 3 since it involves a lot of trial and error to find the exact number in one of those gradual drops and rises in readings.

Anyway, I only managed to get the numbers right twice I think (maybe three times). One was out of sheer determination and one was when I got a sharp dip on the first pass (in that instance it took me less than 2 hours to get the combination). I have tried about 20 times in total (at several hours a time, sometimes 5 or 6 hours...).

All that being said, all I want to do is put that back wheel into the front of the pack and see if these problems persist. If they do, then I have a problem, if they don't then I would have been right.

I will try and obtain a crap lock to see the difference between a group 2 lock and an unrated lock. I have seen graphs with dips of 1 to 2 readings!!! What I call a 'sharp and obvious' dip is about half a reading.

It is an S&G 6741, the same one I mention in another thread.

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Postby CaptHook » 29 Sep 2004 17:36

Not going to swear to it, but I think you need a new wheel pack. If not, remove the spindle key and the rest will be explanatory.
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