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Postby BegginersLuck » 14 Sep 2009 2:34

Ok im just throwing out some of the most random thoughts of the day. :oops: Is there a tension wrench similar to a torque wrench? I know most of you replied to my last question fairly simple and sorry i wasnt paying much attention to other Posts but is the 8-peice kit on lockpickshop a good starter kit for me...i know absolutely nothing about the hobby but im intrested have been since i was 5.
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Re: Random...

Postby BegginersLuck » 14 Sep 2009 2:48

Note:I already bought the 8 peice just wanted someone elses opinion. someone with experience perhaps? I cant wait to get it im tired of stating myself with a safety pin...
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Postby MacGyver101 » 14 Sep 2009 6:47

You can see a much better photo of that set (assuming that this is the 8-piece set that you're talking about) on the Southord Website. It looks like a pretty reasonable set for starting out: the hook and half-diamond will get you started with single-pin picking and you can later try some raking with the two basic rakes that are included. (And I think that most people here would advise you to do some gentle sanding/polishing on the picks when they arrive: it'll help quite a bit.) I've never found much use for either the ball pick or the broken key extractor... but Southord seems to include them in every basic kit they offer, so either I'm missing something, or they simply decided that an "8-piece kit" sounds better than a "6-piece kit". :wink:

I'm not sure that I completely understand your question about torque wrenches. I've seen the terms "tension wrench" and "torque wrench" used interchangeably by many folks, referring to the same tool. I'm not sure if you were just wondering about the two different names, or if you were asking about a "torque wrench" in the traditional sense (for example, a 60-ft/lb socket wrench). If you were thinking in the "socket wrench" sense, it's a cleaver idea... but wouldn't quite work in lock picking. The differences in spring tension, pin shape and lock tolerances mean that there isn't any one precise tension (other than "very light") that you could successfully and consistently use. The closest thing to what you might be thinking of are the "feather touch" tension wrenches that have an integrated spring as a sort of force-limiter: you can see an example of one here.

I hope those answers help a bit. Welcome to your new hobby. :)
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Re: Random...

Postby ElbowMacaroni » 14 Sep 2009 12:10

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Re: Random...

Postby BegginersLuck » 14 Sep 2009 18:49

oh the tension wrench...i mean is there something similar to a mechanics torque wrench where it tells you how much pressure is applied my father is a skilled mechanic and i mess around with his tools a lot and it seemed like a pretty good question last night so i asked. it would most likely be a beginners item if there was one. skilled locksmiths dont really have too many problems with tension unlike the unskilled 18 year old looking for a hobby maybe a carreer
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Re: Random...

Postby LocksmithArmy » 14 Sep 2009 19:36

This may be your best bet,
http://www.lockpicks.com/dialroundtensiontool.aspx

although you can probably make somthing like this with a nice piece of paper and you improvise a scale with a sharpy... than just attatch it to your tensor so as it bends it move across the marks... but thats all up to you
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Re: Random...

Postby MacGyver101 » 14 Sep 2009 21:36

BegginersLuck wrote:...i mean is there something similar to a mechanics torque wrench where it tells you how much pressure is applied . . .

I thought that I answered that for you? :)
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Re: Random...

Postby Raymond » 15 Sep 2009 0:04

I don't believe I have ever seen one produced either commercially or ammaturely. Since every lock, pick, turning tool and picker are different, such an absolute measuring device would be a ridiculous waste of effort. A good picker just adjusts the pressure as needed and this can only be learned through experience.

The only place I can think of at this moment where such a device would be of any value would be in manipulating a direct fence safe.
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Re: Random...

Postby BegginersLuck » 15 Sep 2009 0:22

all of you have helped a LOT! Mostly MacGyver thanks but kinda stuck a little i try to pick my master no 140 and i think im stuck on the spool pin but not sure i get all but the #3 pin set and it just wont budge...i try to let off a little tension but i reset the lock so i have to do it all over. Any advice? it could also be the fact im using a broken pair of tweezers as a tension wrench but i have a kit on the way so ill try it again later....
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Re: Random...

Postby BegginersLuck » 15 Sep 2009 0:44

i may have found a problem...it looks like a pin is jammed sideways and is no longer in the correct position im currently examining it further might cut it apart but im not sure i got a few saws i can use
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Re: Random...

Postby BegginersLuck » 15 Sep 2009 1:21

here is the best picture i can get for the time being
bent pin.jpg
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Re: Random...

Postby BegginersLuck » 16 Sep 2009 13:31

Here is a better picture if this helps anyone who may be looking and have knowledge of Master locks. Its A little blury...Its from my phone camera
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Re: Random...

Postby MacGyver101 » 16 Sep 2009 15:08

Hrm. I can't be certain, based on the photos... but, from what I can see, that extra piece doesn't look like it came out of the pinstack in the lock. (There shouldn't be any pins in there that are small enough to rotate sideways, regardless of what you might have done to the lock.)

I realize this is probably a stupid question, but are you really sure that part of your makeshift tension wrench didn't break off in there?
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Re: Random...

Postby BegginersLuck » 16 Sep 2009 15:30

im pretty sure it looks just like one of the pins thats why i was confused i figure maybe my step-brother tried picking it and broke it somehow becuase the lock used to be on my dads liquor cabinet...
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Re: Random...

Postby BegginersLuck » 16 Sep 2009 15:37

that and there is no fourth pin im pretty sure possibly the object floating throughout the lock might be pin #4
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