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A SPP question

Having read the FAQ's you are still unfulfilled and seek more enlightenment, so post your general lock picking questions here.
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A SPP question

Postby Josh K » 28 Dec 2009 14:03

I've had quite a bit of success with a rake on a variety of padlocks but figured I should really learn to SPP. I've been working on a couple of the easier locks (removed all but two pins on the core of a Master 930, Master #5). Is it normal to just poke around until it opens? I'm working on hitting individual pins and lifting them, but honestly I can't tell if they are binding or setting half the time. Almost makes me want to get that rake out again. :oops:
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Re: A SPP question

Postby unlisted » 28 Dec 2009 17:15

Have you read the SPP thread yet? (or any of them....)
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Re: A SPP question

Postby CaptHook » 28 Dec 2009 23:02

Josh K wrote:I've had quite a bit of success with a rake on a variety of padlocks but figured I should really learn to SPP. I've been working on a couple of the easier locks (removed all but two pins on the core of a Master 930, Master #5). Is it normal to just poke around until it opens? I'm working on hitting individual pins and lifting them, but honestly I can't tell if they are binding or setting half the time. Almost makes me want to get that rake out again. :oops:

It goes beyond poking around. Here is a basic primer for you. If there is any resistance on lifting a pin, it is binding. You have to find which pin binds first and start lifting THAT one. To tell if it is set, takes touch and feel. If you feel the tension wrench give a little, and the plug turns; the pin is set. It is accompanied by a click, sometimes extremely minute, that you feel and hear. Then you move on to the next pin that binds first/most. The secret in picking pin by pin is really in the touch and feel of both the wrench and the pick in hand. If you understand how a lock works, you can visualize what is happening inside the lock by what you are feeling in your hands. This will get you though most pin tumbler locks that you will encounter (not covering security pins). If you arent feeling anything on the wrench, play around with the amount of tension you are applying. Is it too much? Is it too little? Play around until you develop the sensitivity to feel what is happening. And trust me, most times you will find that you are applying too much tension on the wrench. So start by lighting up first. :wink:
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Re: A SPP question

Postby Josh K » 29 Dec 2009 1:35

unlisted wrote:Have you read the SPP thread yet? (or any of them....)


By golly, there's an idea. :roll: :wink:

I guess my real question is lack of discernible tactical feedback. Is this "feel" something that's going to come with practice or am I missing something? From the sound of it it's going to be practice.

I understand the theory, just wanted to make sure I'm implementing it correctly.
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Re: A SPP question

Postby unlisted » 29 Dec 2009 1:49

well, I'll point out a thread for ya.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=46714
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Re: A SPP question

Postby Josh K » 29 Dec 2009 1:57

unlisted wrote:well, I'll point out a thread for ya.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=46714


Interesting idea. I hadn't thought about switching the pins up. Thanks for the link.
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Re: A SPP question

Postby CaptHook » 29 Dec 2009 3:05

Josh K wrote:I guess my real question is lack of discernible tactical feedback. Is this "feel" something that's going to come with practice or am I missing something? From the sound of it it's going to be practice.

I understand the theory, just wanted to make sure I'm implementing it correctly.

Feel takes a while to develop, and some people are more sensitive/perceptive to what they are feeling in their fingers and hands. I like teaching people on master padlocks, the ones with the blue band at the bottom. They are numbered 1-2-3 etc. There is a fair amount of spring pressure on the plug itself that you will have to overcome, but the setting of the pins is a very clean distinctive sensation. Once you get to where you are feeling the sets from there, move on to a lock like a deadbolt from kwikset etc. It will feel different because there is no spring pressure on the plug, and you can experiment with how light you need to be on the wrench.
I am not much for learning on a lock with only one or two pinstacks. I think that while it may help the new picker get a bit of confidence from opening locks quickly, it teaches the picker the nuances of THAT lock. Even if you move the pins around.... the lock will still be somewhat similar, just the binding order will be slightly different. I dont know, its six in one hand half a dozen the other. But working on multiple locks after you get the basic feel for a pin set, gives a plethora of different feedback levels to draw from and train the brains motor skills.
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Re: A SPP question

Postby lock2006 » 30 Dec 2009 0:34

Maybe this info will help you out good luck Josh K.

http://theamazingking.com/lock-spp.html
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