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Master Lock #3 - World's Easiest Lock?

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Master Lock #3 - World's Easiest Lock?

Postby TurnerGOFP » 10 Jan 2010 14:21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSKcDc4aHbE

Is The Master Lock #3 The Easiest To Pick Or Does He Just Have A Dysfunctional Lock?
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Re: Master Lock #3 - World's Easiest Lock?

Postby lock2006 » 10 Jan 2010 14:43

Is not the easiest lock to pick
but a good decent lock to start with.
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Re: Master Lock #3 - World's Easiest Lock?

Postby Eyes_Only » 10 Jan 2010 14:50

When picking one that's been used outside, exposed to the elements and with the cylinder all corroded it can sometimes be pretty tricky. Much more so than a brand new one.
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Re: Master Lock #3 - World's Easiest Lock?

Postby dnullify » 10 Jan 2010 19:17

mine came pinned with all three pins at near identical hights...

i can open it in just about a second, or two with my snake rake... it's almost not fun.
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Re: Master Lock #3 - World's Easiest Lock?

Postby Squelchtone » 10 Jan 2010 23:17

dnullify wrote:mine came pinned with all three pins at near identical hights...

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they have 4 pins, not 3.

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Re: Master Lock #3 - World's Easiest Lock?

Postby Solomon » 11 Jan 2010 11:45

TurnerGOFP wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSKcDc4aHbE

Is The Master Lock #3 The Easiest To Pick Or Does He Just Have A Dysfunctional Lock?

"He" has the same username as you. :lol:

And yes, any #3 will open with random pick wiggling coupled with pulsating tension like in that video. As will pretty much any of the other laminated steel padlocks (including commercial grade) Master produce, along with the #40 disc locks, the EX series, and pretty much everything else. The pro series is the only lock they produce which is even slightly challenging to pick, and I use that term very loosely.

Masters in general aren't the easiest locks in the world to pick, but they're certainly getting there. Most of them have 4 standard pins, lame tolerances and loose plugs... none of which make for very good pick resistance. They're all very easy to SPP, but as you can see, proper technique isn't exactly necessary.
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Re: Master Lock #3 - World's Easiest Lock?

Postby Squelchtone » 11 Jan 2010 14:35

Solomon wrote:
TurnerGOFP wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSKcDc4aHbE

Is The Master Lock #3 The Easiest To Pick Or Does He Just Have A Dysfunctional Lock?

"He" has the same username as you. :lol:

And yes, any #3 will open with random pick wiggling coupled with pulsating tension like in that video. As will pretty much any of the other laminated steel padlocks (including commercial grade) Master produce, along with the #40 disc locks, the EX series, and pretty much everything else. The pro series is the only lock they produce which is even slightly challenging to pick, and I use that term very loosely.

Masters in general aren't the easiest locks in the world to pick, but they're certainly getting there. Most of them have 4 standard pins, lame tolerances and loose plugs... none of which make for very good pick resistance. They're all very easy to SPP, but as you can see, proper technique isn't exactly necessary.



What I noticed in the video, and please take this as constructive criticism is that the way you are holding the lock, the wrench and the pick, and the way you move the padlock instead of moving the pick are not very good form.

I don't have a No.3 in front of me to take a pic of how, but more than anything, hold the padlock firmly in your hand and let the pick do the work, no need to move the padlock or twist it side to side. That will result in broken lock picks.

I do like that you have discovered counter clockwise tensioning, which I find makes opening No.3 padlocks much easier, but the way you're holding the wrench needs some work. Maybe you were trying to keep the view clear for the camera, I don't know.

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Re: Master Lock #3 - World's Easiest Lock?

Postby TurnerGOFP » 11 Jan 2010 15:25

Solomon wrote:
TurnerGOFP wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSKcDc4aHbE

Is The Master Lock #3 The Easiest To Pick Or Does He Just Have A Dysfunctional Lock?

"He" has the same username as you. :lol:


Yes The Video Is Of Me. I Stated "He" Because If I Said Hey Check Out My Video Then You Would Just Assume I Wanted YouTube Views Which I Do Not Care About. The Video Was Just An Easier Way To Show My Question Visually. I Thank You For The Constructive Criticism And I Would Like To Point Out That About 50% Of The Bad Form In The Video Is Because I Was Trying To Show The Camera Which Proved More Difficult Then I Thought. I Admit The Other 50% Is Just Lack Of Skill.
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Re: Master Lock #3 - World's Easiest Lock?

Postby MacGnG1 » 11 Jan 2010 21:56

i have 2 master#3's one i can pick in a second, another i have not been able to pick yet.
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Re: Master Lock #3 - World's Easiest Lock?

Postby dnullify » 12 Jan 2010 1:44

squelchtone wrote:
dnullify wrote:mine came pinned with all three pins at near identical hights...

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they have 4 pins, not 3.

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sorry, i meant 3 of the 4... the 4th is really low, all the easier...
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Re: Master Lock #3 - World's Easiest Lock?

Postby TurnerGOFP » 16 Jan 2010 15:49

I found the best way to pick this lock is to SPP the 3rd pin and quickly rake the others. So far it has worked on every one(Master Lock #3) that I have tried. Let me know how it works for everyone.
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Re: Master Lock #3 - World's Easiest Lock?

Postby TurnerGOFP » 19 Jan 2010 23:51

Squelchtone - New video posted with the same lock and same picks. Only difference this time is I'm not focusing on the camera and I'm not in a hurry. You can't really see me picking the lock but you can obviously tell their was no shaking like the first video.
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Re: Master Lock #3 - World's Easiest Lock?

Postby stratmando » 11 Aug 2010 22:03

When I can see the Key when buying a lock, I Look for a difficult pin pattern to pick for that reason.
[quote="dnullify"][quote="squelchtone"][quote="dnullify"]mine came pinned with all three pins at near identical hights...

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they have 4 pins, not 3.

Squelchtone[/quote]

sorry, i meant 3 of the 4... the 4th is really low, all the easier...[/quote]
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Re: Master Lock #3 - World's Easiest Lock?

Postby slimjim123 » 18 Sep 2010 13:30

TurnerGOFP wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSKcDc4aHbE

Is The Master Lock #3 The Easiest To Pick Or Does He Just Have A Dysfunctional Lock?



To me, Yes.

I don't know why, but all the master locks I've ever picked, were extremely easy.
I find with most of them, all you need to do is scrape from back to front, jiggle the pick in the very front a few times and it pops open. I've found this same technique to work extremely well on probably more than 50 master locks.
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Re: Master Lock #3 - World's Easiest Lock?

Postby raimundo » 19 Sep 2010 9:28

The government contract masters marked US are somewhat harder, to pick. and unshimable. The mechanism is totally different in the boltworks, it has ball style locking dogs.
the cylinders are nearly the same except they probably have security pins.
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