Tradesmen quoter.co.uk - Any Good with Google?

[lock24]

Got a call from Tradesmen quoter.co.uk today they said they can generate business through google for Locksmiths and told me they can get me on the front page Google for locksmith keywords where I am based for £199 + VAT.

I am always sceptical with these companies who call out of the blue.

The salesman was very persistent and showed me a few examples of their work.

Worsley Locksmith which does bring up tradesmen quoter and the company registered with them.

Is it worth me doing business with them as I am not sure how effective Google is in generating locksmith business?

[Rickthepick]

you can get yourself to the top page of google with free listings to be honest it just takes a while for google to pick up on them.

These companies that pester all day long will tell you any old crap to get your money.

Even when you get to top page of google you barely see you workload increase as the customers will still shop around.

spend a week adding free listings with good keywords, it takes a while but its free...

and you will prob get 10 sales calls a day when you do haha. they really are annoying, BT tradespace being the worst as they are just plain ude to you when you say your not interested

[lock24]

I have tried getting my site up there but it never reaches the front page. I guess you need to be on the front page to get real business. I never go past the first page if I am looking for something.

I spoke to a few of their clients on the website and they seem to be happy with what they are getting for their money.

Just spoke to a Google ranking company bigmouthmedia and they said they will charge me £199 per month to get my site on the front page.

I think ill give the guys at tradesmen quoter.co.uk a shot at £199 for 12 months they do seem quite genuine with all their results.

thanks.....................

[Rickthepick]

what you need to consider mate is they may get you topspot... but

the listings change daily.

you could be back on page 2 within a few months

for that money you want it in writing that you will be top spot for the duration of the time you have paid for.

Only trying to save you the money... been there and got the tshirt

[Rickthepick]

also consider the fact that you may appear top for one keyword 'locksmiths in areaX'
but you may not come top for other variations such as 'areaX locksmiths', locksmith areaX'

then theres surrounding areas Y and Z same variations

the ideal package would put you top spot for all variations of the searches all of the time, which is pretty much an impossible task.

[lock24]

Thanks for the prompt response.

that is exactly what the search engine guy at bigmouthmedia said to so I checked

locksmith worsley
car locksmith worsley
office locksmith worsley
24hr locksmith worsley
emergency locksmith worsley

they do come up for all variations. Seems quite good.

[Josh K]

Most of these companies are SEO based. They'll take your site and "customize" it to get picked up a bit faster by google. The only trade of is if you stop paying them, they stop "maintaining" your site and you'll fall right off.

Some questions to ask yourself is how important is it that you are on the web? How much business do you generate off of web based referrers? When people call you up do they say "Yeah, I found you guys online?" Some things to think about.

[79commando]

I must receive about 4 calls a week from companies telling me they will get me top position on Google for my area. Not including those that E-mail me. If they could all get me the top position somebodies got to be full of @@@t.

[Josh K]

I must receive about 4 calls a week from companies telling me they will get me top position on Google for my area. Not including those that E-mail me. If they could all get me the top position somebodies got to be full of @@@t.

They all can, it's a game that's played continually. "Top positions" normally means in the top five or ten, not number one.

[globallockytoo]

Dont believe the hype of these scammers that try to sell first page listings. It cannot be done.

Most of them dont proxy in to an ip address in your area, so how can they see local results.

It is a con. I had Yellow Pages try the same thing on me here. I went down to their office and sat in the managing salepersons room, in front of a computer and had him type in "locksmith (my post code/town)" and my site/s came up on page 1 already. (his office happened to be in my local area). When I asked him how much he was going to charge me for something that I already get for nothing, he laughed.

You want to be number 1 on google or on the first page? CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT.

It's not rocket science - You can pay to be listed using Google Adwords, but your costs will keep increasing because people who are paid to click those ads commit click fraud and you cannot stop them or prove it.

I get 500+ hits every month without fail, because I have content that is being searched for and my keywords are highlighted in my articles.

Dont be fooled by the charlottans.

[Josh K]

Dont believe the hype of these scammers that try to sell first page listings. It cannot be done.

Most of them dont proxy in to an ip address in your area, so how can they see local results.

It is a con. I had Yellow Pages try the same thing on me here. I went down to their office and sat in the managing salepersons room, in front of a computer and had him type in "locksmith (my post code/town)" and my site/s came up on page 1 already. (his office happened to be in my local area). When I asked him how much he was going to charge me for something that I already get for nothing, he laughed.

You want to be number 1 on google or on the first page? CONTENT CONTENT CONTENT.

It's not rocket science - You can pay to be listed using Google Adwords, but your costs will keep increasing because people who are paid to click those ads commit click fraud and you cannot stop them or prove it.

I get 500+ hits every month without fail, because I have content that is being searched for and my keywords are highlighted in my articles.

Dont be fooled by the charlottans.

(1). It most certainly can be done.

(2). How would the local ip address have anything to do with the search results being delivered? It's a global bump up using targeted keywords and content optimization.

[globallockytoo]

the results given in a local ip address neighborhood (a terminal located in your ip geographic area) is vastly different from an externally located ip address.

as an example, run a search in google (standard window) and run the same search in a Google Incognito window and measure the result differences.

An incognito window does not track ip addresses or usage patterns. This usually leads to different results.

Now, if your site content is powerfully optimized but above all the content is highly ranked, then it should appear equally or better in the incognito window.

If not, and it appears in the standard window (higher than in incognito), you can see that the ip address is vitally important to providing better local results, which is generally what location service based businesses want.

(read dem apples! - )

[Josh K]

the results given in a local ip address neighborhood (a terminal located in your ip geographic area) is vastly different from an externally located ip address.

as an example, run a search in google (standard window) and run the same search in a Google Incognito window and measure the result differences.

An incognito window does not track ip addresses or usage patterns. This usually leads to different results.

Now, if your site content is powerfully optimized but above all the content is highly ranked, then it should appear equally or better in the incognito window.

If not, and it appears in the standard window (higher than in incognito), you can see that the ip address is vitally important to providing better local results, which is generally what location service based businesses want.

(read dem apples! - )

Google will track history and compile a profile only if you've logged in to a Google account. FWIW I just ran a variety of searches (broad, local, targeted) on several different servers. One in California, one in Troy (MI), and a couple other I'm not sure about. Then I compared the results to a control set run on my home machine. I couldn't find a difference.

[kendale]

Hi

If you want a top listing for free download a program called web position gold 4 and you have 4 weeks to use the program to get your web site sorted out.

It will give you the keywords and meta tags to use and go through each page of your web site to make sure you have the correct number of words and the correct keywords per page etc for a top listing.

I have always used this method and it has not failed me yet, safe opening or refurbished safes entered into google, bing or yahoo will always bring justsafes to the top just below the pay per click ads.

If you try this method it takes about 3 weeks to get your listing to the top of the list on the first page, I have always used this method but you only have 1 months fully working trial to list the site.

Hope this helps.

[EmCee]

Not everyone who tries to sell you something is a 'scammer'; although for everything you might want to buy there will be good and bad providers.

It is certainly possible to achieve first page listings through search engine optimisation (SEO). The 'content' of a site is not something separate to SEO; it is part of SEO.

There are 'scammers' who use dubious techniques to increase website search ranking (such as 'link farms'), but these techniques are known by the search engine companies and are ignored when ranking a site.

There are bona fide experts in SEO and they use a number of valid techniques, including optimising the content so that it includes the right 'keywords' and frequency of those keywords to be picked up by search engines. SEO also involves editing the code of the site itself to improve the way it is indexed by search engines.

And the reason that SEO companies want to charge for continuing work is not because they are 'scammers' either. Search engines don't like SEO and regularly change their (super secret) methods of ranking search engine results to prevent this - which means SEO companies have to continually adjust their techniques to maintain that ranking.

There are other techniques in addition to SEO that can lift a site higher in search results.

I have no idea how using the Incognito function affects search results, since Incognito only prevents cookies and search histories from being stored on the user's computer. It does not mean the user is literally 'anonymous' during surfing.

Cheers..