simple door bolts are they totally secure

[learner_uk]

hi
We have a standard dead bolt type lock you find on front doors which I've heard are the easiest locks to pick. We also have two steel bolts at the top and bottom. Can you open those bolts from outside?

[Rickthepick]

We can open anything... scary eh?

[Schuyler]

Without knowing what the actual locks are we can't provide you much in. Bolts, such as they are, are still attached to some sort of locking mechanism.

[MacGnG1]

i saw a video on youtube where the locksmith uses a wire hanger bent into a specific shape that unhooks one of those chains used to secure a back door. so im sure there is a way to get around the bolts

[nostromo]

I once encountered a heavy steel outward-opening door in a heavy steel frame mounted in a brick-faced concrete building. The interior deadbolt was not exposed to the exterior and was reinforced by two ten-inch long deadbolts made of laminated 1/8" steel plate that seated into reinforced plates in the frame. The pins of the three (industrial) hinges were welded so they could not be chiseled out.

That door was peeled from an upper corner outward. Smoothly and without a lot of tool marks, drilling, or cutting.

My concept of 'home security' changed after that.

If someone wants in, they will get in. All you can do is slow them down. Takes longer for a surreptitious entry.

[Josh K]

I once encountered a heavy steel outward-opening door in a heavy steel frame mounted in a brick-faced concrete building. The interior deadbolt was not exposed to the exterior and was reinforced by two ten-inch long deadbolts made of laminated 1/8" steel plate that seated into reinforced plates in the frame. The pins of the three (industrial) hinges were welded so they could not be chiseled out.

That door was peeled from an upper corner outward. Smoothly and without a lot of tool marks, drilling, or cutting.

My concept of 'home security' changed after that.

If someone wants in, they will get in. All you can do is slow them down. Takes longer for a surreptitious entry.

What do you mean it was peeled? How do you peel a steel door?

[unlisted]

I once encountered a heavy steel outward-opening door in a heavy steel frame mounted in a brick-faced concrete building. The interior deadbolt was not exposed to the exterior and was reinforced by two ten-inch long deadbolts made of laminated 1/8" steel plate that seated into reinforced plates in the frame. The pins of the three (industrial) hinges were welded so they could not be chiseled out.

That door was peeled from an upper corner outward. Smoothly and without a lot of tool marks, drilling, or cutting.

My concept of 'home security' changed after that.

If someone wants in, they will get in. All you can do is slow them down. Takes longer for a surreptitious entry.

What do you mean it was peeled? How do you peel a steel door?

with a big stick, prybars, etc.

I've done it befo.... I mean.. I've seen it on youtube somewhere.. ya, thats it..

(personally, I prefer blowing a hole in the cinderblock/cement wall, BESIDE the reinforced door. I make my own door, thats how I roll, DE for life!)

[Rickthepick]

(personally, I prefer blowing a hole in the cinderblock/cement wall, BESIDE the reinforced door. I make my own door, thats how I roll, DE for life!)

Iv worked on an ex bank strongroom where the surrounding wall was one course of cinder blocks... unbelievable

[unlisted]

... I tend to use high explosives for making my openings..

[Squelchtone]

... I tend to use high explosives for making my openings..

yeah we've all seen that pic of your bandaged hands after your last "opening"



Squelchtone

[Unsightly Picks]

(personally, I prefer blowing a hole in the cinderblock/cement wall, BESIDE the reinforced door. I make my own door, thats how I roll, DE for life!)

Iv worked on an ex bank strongroom where the surrounding wall was one course of cinder blocks... unbelievable

So it became an "ex bank" after you kindly revealed the weakness by removing a few bars of bullion eh?
Kidding aside, nothing is "Secure" i bypassed one with a small piece of rebar, it will be noisy and take a bit, but it is doable.

[Unsightly Picks]

On second thought, i was thinking of bolts that loop of steel folds over a ball pin, there are much more secure bolts than those.

[learner_uk]

It's just a surface door bolt. See picture

[Schuyler]

AH - yeah, the only way to get through that is via Destructive Entry, which is, in fact, most of what people have been talking/joking about here. Long story short someone could get through that, but it would take a little force to do so. It certainly wouldn't be surreptitious entry, anyway.

[Rickthepick]

the keep is held on by two small brass screws a child could force that open