S&G 8077, factory shipping combination

[ImSchatten360]

Hi,

I got a S&G 8077.
The seller (ebay) told me that it is brand new (it looks like it has never been used) and that it is still on factory shipping combination.
The cover has been removed and the counter lock screw is turned counterclockwise as far as possible.
The shackle is closed. The key whole screw is on closed as well.
The manual says that the factory shipping combination is "25".
But I can't open it.
So maybe someone can check my opening procedure I am gonna to describe.

I turn the dial counterclockwise. At least 4 times, but usually even more.
When it comes to 25 on the opening index I turn it clockwise until 0 appears at the opening index for the first time.
Then I try to pull the shackle.
I have also tried the same on the changing index. But the key hole screw can't be turned to the open position.
I have even tried opening it with dialing everything from 1 to 49 but no success.

So I guess the combination has been changed before I got it.

Does someone have an idea what I am doing wrong, or what else I should try?

On the back of the lock it says:

Nicholasville-KY-U.S.A
8077AD
CL1/CL2
Fed. Spec.
FF-P-110
2006

[Squelchtone]

Hi,

I got a S&G 8077.
The seller (ebay) told me that it is brand new (it looks like it has never been used) and that it is still on factory shipping combination.
The cover has been removed and the counter lock screw is turned counterclockwise as far as possible.
The shackle is closed. The key whole screw is on closed as well.
The manual says that the factory shipping combination is "25".
But I can't open it.
So maybe someone can check my opening procedure I am gonna to describe.

I turn the dial counterclockwise. At least 4 times, but usually even more.
When it comes to 25 on the opening index I turn it clockwise until 0 appears at the opening index for the first time.
Then I try to pull the shackle.
I have also tried the same on the changing index. But the key hole screw can't be turned to the open position.
I have even tried opening it with dialing everything from 1 to 49 but no success.

So I guess the combination has been changed before I got it.

Does someone have an idea what I am doing wrong, or what else I should try?

On the back of the lock it says:

Nicholasville-KY-U.S.A
8077AD
CL1/CL2
Fed. Spec.
FF-P-110
2006

on the 8088 it was easy to open the shackle. The 8077AD at least for me takes more force. remember, normally these are hanging from a file cabinet so you can take the padlock body and pull down hard and it pulls the lock body away from the shackle. Also, make sure when dialing you are dead on 25 and dead on 0, any +/- away from the exact number may screw up your ability to open it.

If the combination has been changed then you have a very nice paper weight for your desk. I have one as well. =)

Squelchtone

[datagram]

You can also try 10-20-30-0, but 25-25-25-0 is more common (the former is for much older models). As squelch said, these have pretty good tolerances, so make sure you're as close to 25 as you can get.

dg

[Josh K]

You can also try 10-20-30-0, but 25-25-25-0 is more common (the former is for much older models). As squelch said, these have pretty good tolerances, so make sure you're as close to 25 as you can get.

dg

+1

Also don't worry about the number of spins, just make sure it's over four. Spin to the left (counter-clockwise) four+ times and then stop on the number 25. Slowly rotate clockwise until you reach the number 0. Pull on the shackle.

[ImSchatten360]

Hi,

so far it is still not open.
I have uploaded a short video showing what I did. Please just have a look and tell me that I am not totally dumb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD97-LdnXEI

I have also contacted the seller so lets see what he comes up with.
Thx for help so far!

PS: I should have stayed with pin tumbler locks

[Klaiviel]

I watched your video, you are doing it right. I would contact the seller; however, there are a few things you may try in the mean time. If you haven't gotten a copy of the manual yet, do so: http://www.sargentandgreenleaf.com/pdf/ ... 77_pad.pdf In the manual it says to try dialing a half number higher or lower as there may be variations in the factory setting; yes this padlock is sensitive enough to detect half numbers. So for example try (24.5, 0) (25.5, 0) (25, 0.5) (25, 49.5) etc. That probably won't work but its worth a try. Also as was suggested prior try (25, 25, 25, 0) it is very likely that the lock has been used since it was made considering it was made in 2006 and the back plate is missing. This could mean that the prior owner reset the combination himself with the change key and therefore (25, 25, 25, 0) is very likely to be the combination. The procedure for the preceding combination would be 4+ turns counter-clockwise stop on 25; Turn clockwise passing 25 two times and stopping on 25 the third time; Turn counter-clockwise passing 25 once and stopping on 25 the second time; Turn clockwise and stop on 0; Try to open shackle. Try that and let us know what happens.

[datagram]

This could mean that the prior owner reset the combination himself with the change key and therefore (25, 25, 25, 0) is very likely to be the combination. The procedure for the preceding combination would be 4+ turns counter-clockwise stop on 25; Turn clockwise passing 25 two times and stopping on 25 the third time; Turn counter-clockwise passing 25 once and stopping on 25 the second time; Turn clockwise and stop on 0; Try to open shackle.

25-25-25-0 is just an expanded form of 25-0. You just turn the dial 4+ times to pick up all the wheels and stop at 25 (setting all wheels there), then turn back to 0 (setting the drive cam) and pull the shackle.

dg

[Klaiviel]

Oh I didn't know that, I am sure you know more about the internal workings of this lock than I do though.