brute force a lock?

[Batlow]

is it possible with a titaium "skeliton key" to simply insert it into the lock and then bash/hammer/leaver it around with brute force?
essentialy snaping the pins and alowing the cylinder to turn?

[poisoned]

I believe it depend's of the lock.. But in theory it's possible..

[Xerty]

Read my signature:

[scrapheap]

Interesting signature Xerty. Don't take this the wrong way but have you considered that brute force is also the last resort of the competent? After all "Last Resort" does mean the last thing they will try, they could have tried many other methods before but the last thing they will try is brute force.

The real difference between the competent and incompetent is that brute force tends to be a first resort for the incompetent as well.

[logosys]

is it possible with a titaium "skeliton key" to simply insert it into the lock and then bash/hammer/leaver it around with brute force?
essentialy snaping the pins and alowing the cylinder to turn?

The problem you're going to deal with, is that you're dealing with relatively small distances, and the shear modulus for brass makes it difficult to do this. Also, the torsion it would put the key into would be difficult to handle, even if it is titanium.

[oldlock]

It might have been tried though, a few years back Chubb produced a safe lock which was described in the literature about is as being protected against " strong keys " what chubbs did was to drill a small hole in the metal by the lock talon, which would allow the metal to compress / collapse if placed under great stress, I suspect it would trap the tool in the process.

Paul

[Xerty]

Right, scrapheap, It's taken from the MIT-guide and I think it's good.
Because the guide was written by the MIT hacking community and they pick locks to enter prohibited locations to perform hacks - jokes, they can't break anything, that would be a crime.

Personnaly, I prefer to exercice commonsense instead of brute force.

[scrapheap]

Xerty. First of all I have to agree that the MIT-Guide is a good explanation of how to pick some locks. It is a very good guide for a beginer to read, especially as it is available on line for free.

Now onto the one flaw that I see in your previous post. You say that they had to pick locks to gain entry to prohibited areas as if they broke anything to gain entry then they would be breaking the law. The question I have then is didn't they break the law by picking the lock to gain entry to the prohibited area.

I would say that they still broke the law and as such we should be think carefully about the content of the guide and make our own decisions as to how we should use it. We should let the content speak for any information we get about our hobby, not our oppinions of the authors.

That is the one reason that I think these forums are so good for everyone interested in the area, there is a constant reminder that there is a law and our decisions we make with this hobby puts us either with it or against it.

I don't know about you, but my commonsense tells me that breaking the law is a poor decision in most circumstances, especialy for the sake of a joke.

[MrB]

I don't know if anyone here has thought about it, but the Digital Millennium Copyright Act in effect makes it illegal to open a lock with anything other than an official key licensed by the manufacturer of the lock, even if you own the lock in question and are authorized to access whatever is secured by the lock.

Imagine if that law got applied to mechanical locks!

[MrB]

I am pretty sure that most ordinary locks can be brute forced. After all, a pin tumbler mechanism only has a bunch of pansy little brass pins to stop the plug from moving. I won't go into details, but it doesn't take much imagination to figure out ways to break the mechanism.

[jason]

As much as I talk about using drills and angle grinders in my posts - most of the members here know (hopefully) that forcing a lock is the last option available to most of us.

The brute forcing of the cylinder would leave it totally buggered and the amount of torque necessary would probably cause a disproportionate amount of damage to the remainder of the lock rendering it totally useless and leaving you looking

(a) reckless
(b) incompetant
(c) moneygrabbing because who is going to pay for replacing the rest of that lock?

For the amount of damage you would cause you would be far, far, far better off picking for no damage or alternatively drilling and only replacing the cylinder.

Please remember that many members here are either picking for the challenge (or because we have to for our work) and destructive work is really not "lock picking" - bypasses are in the "secure" forum where they belong.

Don't take this the wrong way but please don't go buggering up locks with destructive methods because if you screw up badly some of us have to sort the mess out and it ain't always cheap!

[MrB]

Please understand that I am not in any way suggesting or promoting the idea of opening a lock by brute force. It of course has no part to play in the proper activities of a locksmith or hobbyist.

However, burglars have no respect for private property or the damage they might cause. Therefore it is wise to be aware that locks can be brute forced, and one should not naively have too much trust in the ability of a single ordinary lock to resist such attacks. That is why it is a good idea to have two locks fitted to a door, and why insurers in the UK ask that doors be fitted with a lock certified to BS3621.

[toomush2drink]

Whilst i see where you are coming from on being aware of risk etc wouldnt a burglar have to carry quite a few of these titanium keys to cover all the locks he comes across ? I know how much stuff i have to carry to try and cover all eventualities and its loads. Mind due i have heard of something like method this for multilocks but its not really a key.

[MrB]

Personally, I was not thinking of the titanium keys thing. That sounds a bit fanciful. Why titanium anyway? Steel is what you make tools out of.

No, I had in mind one or two things much simpler than that, but I did not want to be specific about my ideas because anything posted here seems to come at the top of a Google search in about a day. (If you don't believe me, search for "mazola oil parties" in Google now and see what I mean. )

[Buggs41]

(If you don't believe me, search for "mazola oil parties" in Google now and see what I mean. )





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