Defeat

[Rockford]

Aaaaaagh - defeated It had to happen sooner or later !

I was called to a lockout this evening in a new development of flats. Looks as though the builder/developer has standardised on DOM oval cyclinders and a mortice sashlock combination on every door in the building.

Well I was at the door for 45 mins. Tried electric pickgun and manual picks, but the keyway was just too tight to get any movement. I only had to slide the pick blade in and it set a couple of pins.

So I had to admit defeat. The guy was good about it. He had a spare key with a mate - but he was out until the morning, so he was going to bunk with another friend until the morning and then get the spare.

This just topped off a crap day. Dishwasher flunked on me this morning, giving me an indoor swimming pool, so I've had to splash out on a new one. Where's the nearest tall building

Rockford.....

[maverick003]

sorry to hear that, but its in the past now so i wouldn't let it get to you

[Rockford]

Thanks.

Just don't like the feeling of being defeated - and more importantly, of letting a customer down.

I'll be getting my hands on a DOM cylinder, and then picking it to death until I know how to defeat it.

If anyone has any tips - as always appreciated. I've looked through the forum postings, as the DOM postings appear to be for dimple locks - this one wasn't a dimple version, but I'll be getting one of those as well to practice on. Best prepared !.

Rockford.....

[mcm757207]

That's too bad, but why not drill the lock?

[Buggs41]

Why destroy the lock when a key is available?

[Rockford]

The guy was actually pleased that I couldn't pick the lock, but I politely told him there were other methods of defeating the cylinder - and a thief wouldn't have been so kind to his lock.

To answer your question - the guy made it clear he didn't want the lock damaging when I arrived, so drilling the case or snapping the cylinder were out.

Rockford.....

[cred]

thats the day i dread but when it comes boy will i blag the custmer!!!!!!!
i was thinking about getting some of the slimline picks as i was trying to pick one of the asec cylinders they to have a tight keyway
ray

[Varjeal]

The DOM key profiles that I've seen in the key catalog appear brutal to say the least. I would highly recommend finding/making some picks that are on the "thin" side of things...such as .018-.020 MAX in order to have room to manevuer in these nasty keyways.

[PickPick]

The keyways aren't even the biggest problem, DOM has some of the nastiest security pins on the market. In addition to mushrooms, occasionally you'll encounter this:
Top and bottom disk are connected by a thin pin on which several small disks are resting (the picture is from the updated german edition of the former MIT Guide).

[Rockford]

Don't make life easy do they !.

[EvoRed]

You shouldn't be looking at this as being defeated. If the customer had lost their keys with no spares then, after failing to pick it, you would have simply picked up the drill or the snapper as a last resort and would have got in quite quickly, only needing to replace a cylinder.

Being defeated is something like that Reactfast guy drilling holes willy nilly and trashing the handles, etc. Or the BLA drilling two 8mm holes through the door to open a Securefast. That, in my mind, is being defeated.

[Wallaby]

.... just as an aside for when you do get a tight keyhole and want to use the electric pick gun as you did here, I found that thining right down one of the spare blades of the gun really does help .. a few minutes with a file is well worth it ...

[silent]

You may not have picked it, but in order to learn you have to be beat by something.

[Peaky]

Just so i know, would a rap key be out of the question?

[PickPick]

Very often, DOM uses restricted keyways, so it's not always easy to get a blank for a bump key.