Best picking set for this kind of locks?

[aksion]

Hey. In my country the majority of locks & keys are kind of these. They are made by Abloy. What picking set would be nice for them?

Example key one: - Got a key like this in my front door... Looks easy. Is it?

Example key two: - Are those as impossible to pick as Abloy says?

Example key three: -

Example key four: - Got a key like this at my stock door. Is it easy?

More example keys:

I have ridden the following tutorials.

http://home.howstuffworks.com/lock-picking.htm
http://www.lysator.liu.se/mit-guide/mit-guide.html

Is there more tutorials that would help me with those keys & locks?

The main question still is, where to get a nice set for picking those kind of locks.

Thanks alot!

[poisoned]

Abloy's are discussed in the advanced section of this forum.. There are also some threds in the euro section and if u would have read them u would know that there arent any picks in the market that are made for Abloy..
Except that Falle pick but it's very expensive and it's sold only to locksmiths etc.. So your best bet is to make your own tool (theres a pic of a home-made tool somewhere here) or use some bent wire's etc..

[mbell]

Got a key like this in my front door... Looks easy. Is it?

No .

[WhiteHat]

Example key two: http://finpro.ru/_Article_Images/news/A ... EC-key.jpg - Are those as impossible to pick as Abloy says?

No

[logosys]

Unfortunately, Abloys are rather sturdy locks. The guides you've read won't help you here, because Abloys use a different kind of locking mechanism - a much more complex and difficult to pick mechanism. They're actually fascinating locks to study, but you probably ought to start with a simple pin-tumbler lock (like a Kwikset). You're off to a good start by reading the MIT guide, but you're going to have to crawl before you run at warp speed.

[TOWCH]

There has been very little success at picking abloys. By anyone. To my knowledge, the number of people who can say they have picked an abloy on this forum I could count on one hand. Decoding is another matter but even that is rare. I've heard conflicting statements on this but some say the best method is impressioning while others say it is impossible. If I ever get my hands on an abloy protec I'm going to try my hand at making a pick for it but until I get a better understanding of the lock by holding it in my hand I have no idea if it will work. My idea would consist of a tube within a tube within a tube design where the tubes can be individually rotated to manipulate the disks but until I have a better understanding of the locking bars that prevent the disks from being manipulated individually it's not worth thinking about. It also would not be plausible if high amounts of tension are needed as the tubes would have to be fairly fragile due to size restrictions. I figure a similar design could also work on previous models with a few changes but once again need access to one before I can do anything.

[sj]

Short answer - these are very difficult to pick, but not impossible (there is no such thing as an unpickable lock).

Falle-Safe make a tool which is apparently reliable at picking these, and LSS+ describes how to use it, but both the tool and description are heavily restricted so would be very difficult and/or very expensive to get.

There are some good pictures and discussion of picking tools in this thread:
viewtopic.php?t=415

Also there are discussions in the advanced section of the forum.

[TOWCH]

And this is a pick and not a decoder?

[sj]

I don't know much about the Falle Safe tool, but I believe it is a decoder and there is a separate tool which allows you to apply this code and open the lock.

[acl]

I had an abloy to open on a coffer the other day and im ashamed to to say i whipped the front of the cyl and pulled the discs out 3 mins.Someone put the link up on johns pick and ill be more proffesional next time

[pinky]

the falle tool is restricted, government only, but it wouldnt surprise me if oldlock has something, ive seen his bramah pick, very impressive.
its possible to scope an abloy and pull the discs round.

[Hak]

I've gotten some abloys open on a few occassions, but i think they were just luck as i was only able to get them open once or twice, and couldnt get them back open after consistently trying

[acl]

If youve got em open cantve just been luck.What method were you using or have you explained that and ive not been concentrating

[MrB]

Hmmm...I think I might like to get an Abloy or two to play with. Can you buy cylinders separately, or do you have to get a complete padlock or door lock?

I imagine a padlock is the more convenient format to handle, but I'd also like a lock that is easy to disassemble non-destructively. I saw that Cormu had some photos of a lock in pieces.

Can anyone suggest model numbers or types that are not too expensive and would be fun to play with? Also, good suppliers (in the US)?

[assweasel]

Get yourself an Abloy Tubular Lock all the features with out all the extra hardware as close as your going to get to having just a cylinder sent to you withouut being a locksmith.