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I need some help...

Having read the FAQ's you are still unfulfilled and seek more enlightenment, so post your general lock picking questions here.
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I need some help...

Postby HeavyHanded » 14 Dec 2011 20:56

So I'm trying to crack into this safe, any advice?

Just kidding! I'm new here, but I always lurk forums before posting. I know the golden rule; don't use the 4 letter s-word! Honestly
I don't have any interest in safes or anything anyways.

So, a little about myself, then an actual question. I've been interested in picking for a while, a couple years ago I got my start with Bobby pins and pen cap clips on master locks, then I got other hobbies and forgot about it (I never forgot my first lock though!). But recently my interest was revived, and I purchased a bunch of real picks on line. In the meantime, I have once again tune to Bobby pins, though I've started making my own picks (pics of my picks available upon request!).

I can open my master no.1, and an el cheapo I grabbed from cvs the other day, but I still can't get my master no.3! It's supposed to be an easy lock, so it's a bit disheartening. I picked up a master no.150 the other day too, but I don't want to even waste my time on it yet and scratch up it's pretty brass with my self-made picks. Could my no.3 be a difficult pin set-up, or have I just destroyed it by messing about with Bobby pins? I can take a pic of the key if you guys want.

Thanks!
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Re: I need some help...

Postby art118 » 14 Dec 2011 21:55

Try a Bobby pin it is cheap and if it breaks no big deal picks breaking can be pricy
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Re: I need some help...

Postby Solomon » 14 Dec 2011 22:38

HeavyHanded, the master no. 3 opens both directions (like all their laminated steel padlocks), and I've found that most of them will open much easier counter-clockwise so you should try try that to start with. Also, you really should get some decent picks or at least score some wiper blade inserts to make some out of. You can file those by hand easily and they make decent picks providing you bulk the handle out a bit. I doubt you've messed your lock up as I have one that's about 10 years old and has been picked countless times using all sorts of stuff... and plenty of newbies have had their hands on it, myself included lol. So yeah, I'm sure it's fine. You just need to practice more, take your time and try to learn the feel of the lock.

You can tension it whatever way you want as there's plenty of room in the keyway, the bitting won't matter although it'd be a good idea to try a hook with longer reach just to be sure. Use a fairly heavy amount of tension and run your pick slowly from back to front, should feel the binding pin easily... then just take your tension down a little so you can shift it into place smoothly. Repeat that for the rest of the pins and you're golden, it does take time to get the feel for it properly but you'll get there. Oh yeah, and when I say run your pick over the pins, I mean gently... so don't go pushing them all the way down, that's another common newbie error. It doesn't work like that. :)

art118 wrote:Try a Bobby pin it is cheap and if it breaks no big deal picks breaking can be pricy

Way to read the thread, chief. He said he has been using bobby pins... and at any rate, that's horrible advice to be giving anyone. Bobby pins can be used, sure, but they're so small and fiddly to work with. The feedback is terrible and they're mad uncomfortable, not something you wanna use if you have options. I've made picks outta them before once to open my bedroom door and I would never want to repeat that - let alone tell a newbie to try it! Seriously, it took me almost 20 minutes to open that thing and I know that lock inside out. Telling someone who's new and doesn't have the feel for picking yet to use bobby pins on a lock they've never managed to open before is the worst advice you could possibly dish out, it's like trying to teach someone evasive driving in a go kart. I don't mean to be a dick but seriously, just stick to asking questions for a while and learn a thing or two before you start giving out advice like you know your stuff. ;)
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Re: I need some help...

Postby HeavyHanded » 14 Dec 2011 22:47

Actually, I'm trying to graduate from Bobby pins! They hurt after a bit, and they don't give any feedback at all. I don't want to get a lock open, I want to learn and grow as a picker! Plus, individual picks are only 1.95 so no big loss, and I haven't ever broken a Bobby pin (though I used to bend them by accident years ago... I've learned!!).

Thanks Solomon, your post is very insightful and in-depth! I've actually managed to make a small dual-sided pick out of street sweeper bristles and have been trying that out. The difference in response is amazing! But I'm probably still getting used to it. I can open the no.1 with it though.

Also, good advice on feeling the binding pin, I think I was pushing too hard...
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Re: I need some help...

Postby HeavyHanded » 16 Dec 2011 0:15

Just as an update, I've managed to pick it by raking, but I still can't SPP it yet. I'll get there though, hopefully. At least it should be easier when I try it with my quality set lol. I'm sure my ratios and sizes and all are off.
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